Kalysta ,

Possible war crimes?? Israel hit war crime bingo in the first month and has been trying to get a full card since!

lennybird ,
@lennybird@lemmy.world avatar

So maybe I missed something but the report doesn't make it really clear who is to blame for the mass graves or when they were made.

So at this point this could've been Hamas or Israel, right?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68881325

frauddogg ,
@frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml avatar

Death to the settlers; worse to their benefactors.

Aceticon ,

That's some proper Nazi shit from the "most moral army in the World".

KingThrillgore ,
@KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml avatar

They have become the very same people that once herded them into ghettos.

polskilumalo ,
@polskilumalo@lemmygrad.ml avatar

No mercy for Israel.

istanbullu ,

Israel is basically Isis

INHALE_VEGETABLES ,

Nah America hates Isis

polskilumalo ,
@polskilumalo@lemmygrad.ml avatar

Then why is isis attacking everyone but Israel, which America so so loves.

NoneOfUrBusiness ,

They used to. Now they don't.

Linkerbaan ,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

ISIS fights against all America's enemies. Syria, Iraq, Iran, Libya....

Thankfully israel funds ISIS by buying their oil. And ISIS decided to attack Iran, Syria and now even Russia! Very convenient people!

Mrkawfee ,

It's sick that the US voted to give the Zionist regime billions on the same day that mass graves of people executed by Israeli soldiers are being uncovered.

bennieandthez ,
@bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml avatar

And Blinken shamelessly calls China the muslim genociders.

Maggoty ,

We can still prevent that money from being released with the Leahy Law.

But we won't.

SummerIsTooWarm ,
@SummerIsTooWarm@lemmy.ml avatar

ThE mOsT mOrAl ArMy In ThE WoRlD

nothingcorporate ,

As a wise man once said, if you wonder what you would've done during the Holocaust, you're doing it now.

INHALE_VEGETABLES ,

wut

Aria ,

In elementary school, when the teacher is teaching what the Holocaust was, someone usually raises their hand and asks "Why didn't anyone do anything?", hence "What would you do during the Holocaust?". There's something equivalent to the Holocaust happening in Gaza, and yet most people aren't stopping it.

nonailsleft ,

There are things a lot closer to the holocaust happening in other parts of the world, it's weird that so much people suddenly want to act on Gaza

maryjayjay ,

"Nothing" The answer is nothing

Rom ,
@Rom@hexbear.net avatar

Death to Israel. Death to America.

wombat ,

all palestinian violence against israel is self-defense.

oce ,
@oce@jlai.lu avatar

Even willingly targeting civilians?

o_d ,
@o_d@lemmygrad.ml avatar

Settlers are occupiers and therefore, not civilians.

oce ,
@oce@jlai.lu avatar

Including people who didn't really decide on where to live, like their children?

idkmybffjoeysteel ,
@idkmybffjoeysteel@hexbear.net avatar

Adults who were born in Israel, yes, children, no, but your handwringing is funny, since dead Israeli toddlers are purely hypothetical, and you clearly give no fucks about dead Palestinian babies.

Stick your hand in a blender and turn it on.

oce ,
@oce@jlai.lu avatar

you clearly give no fucks about dead Palestinian babies.

I do. Mentioning civilian victims on Israeli an side doesn't mean I don't care about civilian victims on Palestinian side, this point was simply already covered largely.

Also please refrain from personal attacks and other violence threats.

Infamousblt ,
@Infamousblt@hexbear.net avatar

You: actively defending genocide

Also you: PLZ NO PERSONAL ATTACKS CIVILITY IS IMPORTANT

oce ,
@oce@jlai.lu avatar

No, I am not defending the war crimes of Israeli army nor the ones of Hamas. Just read what I wrote, there's no more to imagine.

nonailsleft ,

You're arguing with tankies. They're known to love themselves some genocide when their leaders convince them it's necessary

idkmybffjoeysteel ,
@idkmybffjoeysteel@hexbear.net avatar

What my comrades said, and also, stick your other hand in the blender too

ProfessorOwl_PhD ,
@ProfessorOwl_PhD@hexbear.net avatar

It's tragic, but that's what happens when your state primarily defends itself with human shields.

oce ,
@oce@jlai.lu avatar

Which state are you talking about?

ProfessorOwl_PhD ,
@ProfessorOwl_PhD@hexbear.net avatar

Palestine is a country, not a state.

octopus_ink ,

Including people who didn’t really decide on where to live, like their children?

Well that's an interesting moral line in the sand to draw in this case.

https://visualizingpalestine.org/visual/six-wars-old/

https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/9a1aa0fa-8f2a-4e35-9224-0c207a97702d.jpeg

oce ,
@oce@jlai.lu avatar

I think wanting to avoid innocent civilian deaths is a moral line that is valid for both sides.

o_d ,
@o_d@lemmygrad.ml avatar

That's a pretty serious claim. Do you have any evidence to support it?

oce ,
@oce@jlai.lu avatar

I find different sources saying about 30 children were murdered, but given that some bodies were mutilated or burnt the counts are not obvious. https://www.factcheck.org/2023/11/dozens-of-children-died-in-hamas-oct-7-attack-on-israel-contrary-to-online-claim/

o_d ,
@o_d@lemmygrad.ml avatar

Killed by who?

A separate report published in Haaretz noted that the Israeli military was “compelled to request an aerial strike” against its own facility inside the Erez Crossing to Gaza “in order to repulse the terrorists” who had seized control. That base was filled with Israeli Civil Administration officers and soldiers at the time.

An Israeli woman named Yasmin Porat confirmed in an interview with Israel Radio that the military “undoubtedly” killed numerous Israeli noncombatants during gun battles with Hamas militants on October 7. “They eliminated everyone, including the hostages,” she stated, referring to Israeli special forces.

While being held by the Hamas gunmen, Porat recalled, “They did not abuse us. We were treated very humanely… No one treated us violently.”

She added, “The objective was to kidnap us to Gaza, not to murder us.”

https://thegrayzone.com/2023/10/27/israels-military-shelled-burning-tanks-helicopters/

I'm aware that some of the hostages that were taken were children. All accounts suggest that they were treated well, for hostages anyway. Its important to recognize that the Zionist regime keeps thousands upon thousands of Palestinian hostages, many of which are children. The Zionists could have negotiated an exchange, ensuring the safe return of all Israeli hostages. Instead, they decided to bomb the living shit out of Gaza, pretty much ensuring their demise.

D61 ,

Why would there be Israeli children inside places like the West Bank or Gaza?

highalectical ,
@highalectical@lemmygrad.ml avatar

Settlers use human shields.

Zuberi ,

Yes. As any civvy would be in their territory at this point

polskilumalo ,
@polskilumalo@lemmygrad.ml avatar

If a German occupied my home during 1940, I'm telling you he wouldn't be a civilian to me. He'd be a complacent thief. A low life settler.

Infamousblt ,
@Infamousblt@hexbear.net avatar

Israelis are willingly targeting civilians. Where is your hand wringing about that?

oce ,
@oce@jlai.lu avatar

I would also mention them if everyone here was not already doing that.

frauddogg ,
@frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml avatar

There are no civilians in Israel; every settler is a combatant by virtue (ha) of their theft.

And before you start pearl-clutching and morally peacocking like I know you would if not for this addendum; no, I do not factor Israeli children into my calculus. It sucks for them that their parents decided to either become, or carry on the family tradition of being settler scum; but does Israel ever consider Palestinian children? No. They don't. Israel calls Palestinian children Hamas when it suits them; ergo, I don't consider Israeli children. At all.

D61 ,

If a civilian comes at you with a weapon, trying to kill you, are they still a civilian?

If a civilian stands in front of relief trucks, sending food/medicine/clothes/tents while the military destroys food/medicine/homes, are they still a civilian?

If a civilian cheers every time one of their country's soldiers shoots a random person or when a bomb in dropped on a hospital, or when missiles are fired at the places went to get away from the fighting, are they still a civilian?

'Cause, from where I'm sitting, being okay with slaughtering people kinds makes it seem like they aren't 'innocent' in this.

yogthos ,
@yogthos@lemmy.ml avatar

Western values on full display here with pretty much every western regime openly backing this genocide.

nonailsleft ,

Don't forget India

some_guy ,

This will be the news that causes the USA to finally tell Israel to stop, I’m sure.

Israel is a pack of lunatics.

anarchoilluminati ,
@anarchoilluminati@hexbear.net avatar
sndmn ,

A pack or war criminals.

robinnn ,
@robinnn@hexbear.net avatar

I have bad news about the USA.

carl_dungeon ,

They’re taking tips from Russia

yogthos ,
@yogthos@lemmy.ml avatar

Less civilians died over two years in Ukraine than in a month in Gaza. The west is showing the world what real atrocities look like here.

Land_Strider ,

And weapons form the US and cheers from Germany to do it.

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