It would be a good idea, but historically centrist liberals will team up with conservatives to stop the left before the opposite. Let's see what happens in France.
That's exactly what's happening. In counties where there are three or more candidates for the second turn, the progressives asked their third place candidate to withdraw, not to split the vote. They're waiting for the same favour from Macron's candidate, which will most likely not come.
Problem is that most western democracies rely on those cheap migrants worker to fill most jobs that locals do not want to fill anymore for various reasons (physical difficulty, low wages, bad images).
So yeah, if you want cities filled with garbages, amazon packages that takes weeks to arrive, among other. Go on. Kick them all out.
I think in the case of France and Europe, the Syrian civil war led to a lot of refugees coming. I’m sure they did find jobs, but it wasn’t the primary reason for their arrival.
Well, sure there have always been some immigrants, so the question is why is it now leading to a right wing backlash? I think what is different is the high volume due to the Syrian civil war.
Problem is that most western democracies rely on those cheap migrants worker to fill most jobs that locals do not want to fill anymore
WRONG.
It's supposed to be a market economy, if someone doesn't want to do the job for an advertised rate you're supposed to increase the rate until it becomes palatable.
Not import people to artificially keep wages and living conditions down for the working class.
So yeah, if you want cities filled with garbages, amazon packages that takes weeks to arrive, among other. Go on. Kick them all out.
If you want living conditions to continue to get worse and wages to spiral downwards until food completely unaffordable, keep importing people to keep the wages down, like you suggest.
It’s supposed to be a market economy, if someone doesn’t want to do the job for an advertised rate you’re supposed to increase the rate until it becomes palatable.
I'm not against the idea, after all that's what the left ask for a long time, but it will increase cost, which will be impacted on everyone cost of living. For a party that make most of its campaign on improving everyone standard of living, their ideas would have the opposite effect.
Not import people to artificially keep wages and living conditions down for the working class.
"Importing" people kinda sound like you consider them as goods, which isn't an appropriate way to call them. They are humans beings, with the same fundamental right as any local. But that's probably not the point you wanted to point, so let's skip that part.
Most of those people went through a perilous journey, which often result in their death. Some are motivated by the better living wages, sure (can we blame them, that'd be like having a country offering millions of € as a base wage for an average European, I doubt most would skip on that), but most are just refugee from war thorn countries that just wish to find a safe place to live.
They are lured by criminal groups that rob them of all of their belongings, some of their dignity (sold as slaves in Libya, things like that), in hope to get a ticket to what seem as a promised land compared to their home countries.
And if they are sent back, it would mean starting over from nothing, with no money nor work (which is some case would result in their death by starvation). For some of them that also mean sentencing them to torture and/or death, just because they are from an unwanted ethnicity, are gay, or anything the local consider as undesirable.
I don't think we can condemn them for trying, considering some of their home countries problem are a direct result of western action (creating countries out of nothing without taking ethnic boundaries into account, among other things), but we have a moral duty to at least give them a fair chance at proving they can integrate into their adoptive countries.
No country can welcome everyone, but putting every bad things on the back of the "migrants" by defining them as a generic bad person that's only there to do bad things is dishonest at best. Most of France problems are the result of years on gifts to the rich in hope that they'd be magnanimous enough to create more work (they never did, or at best did the bare minimum). Migrants are just straw-men used as a stepping stone by those who are more interested in power than in helping others.
The immigration angle is bait and switch politicking. Has been for decades.
People feel economically stagnant and culturally disconnected.
Couldn't be the capitalist machine grinding you to dust while gnawing away any sort of social institutions or greater visions than "line goes up". It's clearly Juan or Abdul who are scrabbling to send a few dollars or Euros to their family. Excluding them is gonna roll back the clock to when a single worker could get a no-degree factory job straight out of high school and raise a sitcom-style family of four, you know!
"Curbed immigration" means people from the Middle East and Africa, right? If a lot of Canadians decided to emigrate, something tells me people like you would be much less upset.
If anyone needs proof about what you're saying: just compare the backlash against the EU taking in 1 million Syrian refugees (which lasted for years) vs the backlash against the EU taking in 4 million Ukrainian refugees (of which I've heard virtually no complaints).
Seriously? You take over their country, tell them how much better your civilization and culture are and then expect them to want to stay where they are?
Of course there is going to be a preference for those that will integrate easily. Why wouldn't there be?
The Irish didn't go over there and "civilise" anyone so that argument doesn't apply.
Poles, Ukrainians, Latvians, Lithuanians and other Europeans have come here in numbers and they've been welcomed because they integrated. Many folks from African nations too.
Syrians.... Not so much integrating.
Edit: To be clear I'm not in the anti immigration camp. I just think a preference for those of similar culture or who will integrate is natural.
You missed my point entirely which was about integration. I'm not afraid of different people - quite the opposite. I believe experiencing other cultures is essential. I'm very well traveled and really enjoy embracing other cultures.
Last year I went to the wedding of the daughter of Sri Lankan friends who have integrated incredibly well. It was a really cool day out, largely because it was different. I loved seeing the differences - the clothes, the intricate henna paintings on hands, the food etc. About 20% of the wedding attendees were Irish born and I felt lucky to be one of them.
I'm friends with a Palestinian lad nearly 20 years now (to be fair, he only moved here about 7 years ago but we had worked together in the middle east a good bit before that). He's a gem. I was so happy when he finally got citizenship. He had never owned a passport in his life and had to get company sponsored "travel documents" from Egypt (iirc) if he wanted to go anywhere outside the UAE where he was living statelessly.
The folks I'm talking about there enhance our country. They're very, very welcome. The issue is integration. Bring your different culture with you. Share it! I'll share mine too. Let's change each other a little through our different perspectives.
I'm not sure your side of the conversation is being had in good faith at this point.
I can't speak for the French. You'd have to ask them. I know there have been integration issues there. The very fast swing towards the hard right is one sign to me that integration has failed badly though. We had no such swing to the right in last month's elections here thankfully though there is a definite increase in the number of vocal hard right lunatics here unfortunately.
I think a fair question is - are some cultures less open to integrating when they move to a new country? Another fair question is - are the people in the country where folks are immigrating to less open to integrating with the new arrivals?
If the answer to either is "yes" then the societal cost of that lack of integration (or ways to mitigate it) has to be looked at lest we end up in a very undesirable situation that we are rapidly moving towards.
That's literally what every French government has done for the past 30 years. But facts are not enough. You have to speak like the far right to convince. "Moderates" tried, but voters prefer the real thing to the copy.
They don't care that what they want is not possible and/or doesn't work.
Immigration isn’t the cause of the problems that the people of France have been facing. Reducing or ending immigration would make problems worse.
The problem is that rich, wealthy elites control the country for their own benefit, hoarding all of the resources for themselves. Then they blame immigrants for causing the problem instead.
If resources in france were equally distributed, everyone would have ~300,000 euros.
Your friends have been scammed by the wealthy ruling elite. They’re voting conservative because they’ve been told that will solve the problems they’re experiencing, but it won’t. It will only make them worse.
I’m not trying to get you to vote for any particular party or candidate, effectively every political party is in on the scam anyways. I’m just trying to help you, I have nothing to gain here. The people in charge are exploiting you and your friends, they’re stealing from all of us, and blaming other scapegoats for it. Don’t believe any of their bullshit, and demand a better world to live in.
PARIS — After his snap election gamble backfired, Emmanuel Macron faces a bitterly painful choice: pull his candidates out to try to stop the far right, or attempt to save what remains of his once-dominant movement before it dies.
Europe’s second-biggest economy and the EU’s only nuclear-armed power is now closer than ever before to ushering in a far-right government for the first time, after Marine Le Pen’s National Rally (RN) took a dramatic lead in the first stage of voting.
If the second-round vote on July 7 delivers a parliamentary majority for the National Rally — and forecasts suggest it’s possible — France will be in uncharted waters: The country would be governed, at least in part, by politicians who made their names sympathizing with Vladimir Putin while vowing to rip up the European Union, wage war on migration and quit NATO.
Now his centrist allies face enormous pressure to pull out of the race in many areas and advise their supporters to vote for the left-wing alliance, which includes far-left radicals, in an attempt to beat Le Pen.
The far-left France Unbowed party and its leader Jean-Luc Mélenchon has emerged as arguably an even greater foe for the centrists than Le Pen, after a year spent fighting in the National Assembly.
The clearest sign of the cordon sanitaire breaking came from Macron ally and former Prime Minister Edouard Philippe, who explicitly called on voters to oppose the National Rally and France Unbowed, too.
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