Objection ,
@Objection@lemmy.ml avatar

Do you mean to tell me that the guy who spent his entire decades-long career unwaveringly supporting the apartheid state currently committing genocide, who sent them billions of dollars of military equipment while they were performing a genocide, who redefined criticism of the government committing said genocide as hate speech, who threatened international courts for trying to hold the genocidal country accountable - are you telling me that person failed to provide an ounce of material support to the people being genocided? No way. I mean, when was the last time an American politician said something that was purely performative?

TokenBoomer ,
RunawayFixer ,

This pier has got to be one of the most expensive examples of virtue signaling ever. Since Israel controls the land that the pier connects to, aid that comes off this pier would always get the exact same treatment as aid that hits an Israeli overland checkpoint, the pier is a pointless + very costly edifice.

Imo the only reason that it exists is so that the USA government can claim to be helping by throwing money at the problem, without actually doing anything about the problem.

TokenBoomer ,

$320 million

Aceticon ,

It was never meant to, as it would interfere with Israel's use of Starvation as a cheap Final Solution for Gaza.

It was only ever meant to generate the right kind of images on TV in order to sway enough Progressives to keep voting for Biden so that he wins the upcoming election.

The whole thing is pretty much like a slum landlord loudly "giving money to Charity" whilst squeezing large numbers of poor tenants who have no other options with expensive rents and bad conditions: a symbolic "positive" action propagandized very loudly while far vaster negative actions are kept as much as possible quiet, so that for outside observers - who judge the scope of those actions by what they see rather than what is actually happenning - the total looks like positive and they conclude this is a good person.

Of course, as per the track record of the American and Israeli propaganda so far, the failure of something which was always meant to fail is, just like every single bad action by Israel without exception, blamed on Hamas.

Socsa ,

Of course not. We saw the same thing in darfur. The warlords create a famine to get aid shipments and then use the aid shipments to feed their soldiers.

Obviously we still need to do everything we can to feed Gaza, but there needs to be an understanding wrapped into that that Hamas are not freedom fighters. Freedom fighters do not use starvation of the people they seek to liberate as a propaganda weapon.

Space_Racer ,
@Space_Racer@lemm.ee avatar

Kind of reminds me of Mogadishu with supply handouts. Warlords just take everything.

SaltySalamander ,
@SaltySalamander@fedia.io avatar

there needs to be an understanding wrapped into that that Hamas are not freedom fighters. Freedom fighters do not use starvation of the people

Israel is perpetuating the starvation. But you know that.

Tryptaminev ,

Several desperate Gazans intercepted trucks delivering aid from the pier over the weekend, leading the UN to suspend the delivery operations until the logistical challenges are resolved.

The US is working with Israel and the United Nations to establish “alternative routes” for the safe delivery of the 569 tons of aid transported to Gaza since last week, Pentagon spokesperson Maj. Gen. Pat Ryder said on Tuesday.

Asked whether any of the aid has been delivered to the people of Gaza, Ryder said, “As of today, I do not believe so.” He added that aid had been held in an assembly area on shore, but as of Tuesday had begun getting moved to warehouses for distribution throughout Gaza as alternative routes have been established.

Ahh yes, blame it on "warlords" and blame it on Hamas instead of acknowledging the deliberate starvation of people to result in people desperate for food. Great way to distract from the perpetrator of starvation, which is Israel who btw. could still end this famine today, by allowing in all aid and stop burning aid trucks.

ad_on_is ,
@ad_on_is@lemmy.world avatar

Oh man, I just love it how you guys downvote these propaganda faschists into oblivion. They think Lemmy is like FB, where they can get together and push their BS onto us, distracting from the real problem that they try to hide.

♥️

Crampon ,

No way! Wholesome Hamas would never.

wildbus8979 ,

Did you even read the article? Hamas is mentioned exactly zero times wrt to the aid. This is all the US and Israel's doing.

disguy_ovahea ,

Did you read the article? It’s neither the US nor Israel. It’s “a group of men in Gaza.”

Over the weekend, as trucks began moving the aid delivered off the floating pier, CNN reported that a group of men in Gaza intercepted the aid, saying they did not trust that it was actually meant for the Palestinian people.

“I have doubts,” Mounir Ayad, a Gaza resident, told CNN near the pier. “I don’t understand this floating pier or what it indicates and what its purpose is. They say it’s for aid, but people are apprehensive. Is this aid or something else? We know that the US has never supported the Palestinian cause, so it’s implausible that it’s giving us aid without something in return.”

Ryder acknowledged on Tuesday that some initial aid brought into Gaza was “intercepted by some people who took that aid off those vehicles.”

Edit: Downvoted for copying and pasting the article shows your preference in maintaining a narrative over understanding the facts. There’s enough wrong about what’s happening without willful ignorance or manipulation of truth.

wildbus8979 ,

None of that says Hamas.

disguy_ovahea ,

It’s also neither the US nor Israel, nor any other nation that is aiding in the transit. It was intercepted by men in Gaza, and not passed on to the residents.

wildbus8979 ,

This whole operation is ran solely by the US and Israel, they have no one to blame but themselves. Moreover

He added that aid had been held in an assembly area on shore, [...]
A US official told CNN that the Defense Department and UN are still working to determine how much aid can be held at he staging area inside Gaza at any given time.

The amount of aid getting to the Gaza shoreline from its initial staging area in Cyprus has also fallen short of initial Pentagon estimates.

disguy_ovahea ,

The problem is occurring at the point of delivery to Gaza, where “a group of men in Gaza” are detaining the aid and refusing delivery out of skepticism. In turn, the aid is backed up in the previous holding area, hence the need for discussion of alternate routes.

He added that aid had been held in an assembly area on shore, but as of Tuesday had begun getting moved to warehouses for distribution throughout Gaza as alternative routes have been established.

The point about “several desperate Gazans” taking aid from the trucks was to illustrate the need for food and supplies. Several people did not walk away with truckloads of aid.

wildbus8979 ,

It doesn't say a group of men are detaining the aid, it says a group of desperate Gazan took the aid.

The solution is shockingly simple, send more aid so people aren't so desperate.

disguy_ovahea ,

This is now the second time I’m quoting this sentence. I suggest you read it this time.

Over the weekend, as trucks began moving the aid delivered off the floating pier, CNN reported that a group of men in Gaza intercepted the aid, saying they did not trust that it was actually meant for the Palestinian people.

The problem is not quantity of aid at the pier. They are storing surplus in warehouses due to it being undeliverable. The obstacle is getting it into Gaza past those who are intercepting it.

wildbus8979 ,

Several desperate Gazans intercepted trucks delivering aid from the pier over the weekend

disguy_ovahea ,

Right. Keep reading. Several people didn’t walk away with truckloads of aid. What happened to the vast majority of the aid according to the article?

CNN reported that a group of men in Gaza intercepted the aid, saying they did not trust that it was actually meant for the Palestinian people.

BaroqueInMind ,

Why are you arguing with clinically stupid people here? Why waste so much time on this when they have already made up their mind?

disguy_ovahea ,

I’m very committed to the truth. Good, bad, or ugly. Misinformation is one of the rare things that I will contest with such conviction. It’s not about convincing that one person to read the article, but hopefully preventing the spread of misinformation to others.

Crampon ,

I did. You didn't. Read earlier replies.

ArtVandelay ,
@ArtVandelay@lemmy.world avatar

"farmer works with fox to coordinate safe escape for chickens"

supersquirrel ,

😮

Next you are going to tell me Hamas is a pathetic rag tag group of resistance fighters that could never even hope of fighting a “war” against Israel (like how, would they beat fighter jets and some of the most advanced main battle tanks in the world with some assault rifles, rpgs and maybeeeee some IEDs?).

🤪

It would be one thing if the resistance fighters had any amount of territory to hide in, but Gaza is essentially an open air prison that takes an f16 all of probably a minute and a half to fly over on afterburners, there is simply no way for Hamas to really even take the first step of fighting a traditional war with Israel since one must concentrate their troops to win a traditional war, and Hamas doing so in any numbers would lead to near instant and complete obliteration by the hands of Israel fighter bombers, artillery, or troops backed by main battle tanks.

This is not a war, this is a genocide of the Palestinian people.

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