Burn_The_Right ,

As I suspected. Conservatism is the reason we can't have nice things. Again.

flying_sheep ,
@flying_sheep@lemmy.ml avatar

What do you mean? Don't you think transitioning to mostly renewables while coal and gas go down are good things?

Burn_The_Right ,

Nuclear is affordable, efficient and proven. Abandoning it instead of promoting it was a dumb, conservative move that hurt everyone involved. Except Russian billionaires, of course.

theonyltruemupf ,

Nuclear power is expensive and slow to build. Wind and solar are much, much cheaper and quicker.

Aux ,

Nuclear is only expensive and slow if you're building reactors from 1960-s. Modern micro- and nano-reactors can be put in every yard in a matter of months if not weeks.

KeenFlame ,

I don't understand, you think we can build miniature nuclear plants for every single house in weeks?

Aux ,

More details here, with proof links, etc https://lemmy.world/comment/9744519

Sidyctism ,

Where have they been built?

Aux ,
theonyltruemupf ,

I wish you were right, but you are not. Those reactors don't exist.

Aux ,

Except they do exist. Almost. First SMRs were scheduled to be deployed right about, but the pandemic fucked it up. The project is back on track though.

MNR study was finished in 2019, right before the pandemic. Feasibility was also finished during the pandemic and the development grants were awarded.

Nano-reactors are still a future, sadly, but if the investments will keep up it won't be long.

theonyltruemupf ,

It won't have been long for a long time now. It's not a feasible concept to rely on a maybe. We need massive amounts of clean energy now and the way to do that now is water, wind and solar. If these wonder reactors are one day reality that's great.

Aux ,

The problem is that instead of investing into dumb renewables, we should've invested in nuclear decades ago. Now we have to play catch up.

hessenjunge ,

The idiots on here firmly believe that nuclear creates zero waste. In their deranged head there is no nuclear waste that will last for longer than humanity existed.

Aux ,

Compared to renewables, nuclear creates pretty much zero waste. The whole story of nuclear energy created less waste than one year of waste from solar panels alone.

Linkerbaan ,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

Because there was a massive coal lobby and Merkel was complete garbage. Next.

flying_sheep ,
@flying_sheep@lemmy.ml avatar

Try reading the article. Coal went down drastically.

Linkerbaan ,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

Interesting. I read many articles about Germany doing the opposite and investing into coal mines the last years. Maybe I am misinformed. I recalled some big anti coal protests last year

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/26/german-windfarm-coalmine-keyenberg-turbines-climate

Tarte ,

The article is badly researched.

This “red-green” coalition banned new reactors, announced a shutdown of existing ones by 2022

The red-green coalition did not announce the 2022 date. They (Greens/SPD) announced a soft phase-out between 2015-2020 in conjunction with building renewables. This planned shift from nuclear to renewables was reverted by Merkel (CDU = conservatives) in 2010. They (CDU) changed their mind one year later in 2011 and announced the 2022 date; but without the emphasis on replacing it with renewables. This back and forth was also quite the expensive mistake by the CDU on multiple levels, because energy corporations were now entitled financial compensation for their old reactors.

Taiatari ,

I'd like to add, my view. I'm from Lower Saxony and in an area nearby they tried for years to establish a temporary storage for the high nuclear waste. I never trusted the notion that the temporary storage will be save, properly maintained and kept from leaking into the local water supply.

Add to that, that we have had very old reactors who were constantly extended rather than properly renewed. Further emphasising that they won't care proper for the waste products.

Then Fukushima happened, the movement for anti nuclear gained massive momentum. I assumed of course that the lack in energy will be compensated by building renewables and subsidising homeowners to build their own solar on their roofs. Why wouldn't we, we were already talking about increasing renewables to safe the climate.

The announcement came that atom is being phased out. Big hooray for everyone who had to live next to the old plants or in areas where end-storage 'solutions' were.

Aaaaaaaand they increased the god damn coal which is way worse and really no one wanted but the lobby for coal and fossile fuels.

Now lots of ppl. on the internet always advocate for nuclear, but never address the fears of the ppl. properly.

The thing is, having a high nuclear toxic waste storage in your local area is shite just as shite it is to have the damn ash piles from coal.

If nuclear really wants to make a proper comeback, in my opinion the first thing they need to solve is the waste. We have too much of it already and have solar, wind and water (tidal preferably over damns because those fuckers can break if not maintained proper) who do not create any nasty waste and by products.

Aurenkin ,

Nuclear is also very expensive and takes a long time to build. Meanwhile the cost of solar reduced by almost 90% in the last decade.

Aux ,

Nuclear is only expensive and slow to build if you're building reactors from 1960-s.

SigmarStern ,
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When I was a kid, Chernobyl happened. We weren't that far away and although I was very little I still remember the fear and uncertainty in my parent's faces. The following years were marked by research about what we can no longer eat, where our food comes from, etc

I also remember the fights about where to store nuclear waste.

I don't want to burn coal. I am pretty upset about what happened to our clean energy plans. But I will also never trust nuclear again. And I think, so do many in my generation.

100 ,

which is funny because fossil fuels are everywhere poisoning the air and environment in general, not different from the nuclear radiation bogeyman

BestBouclettes ,

Especially when coal rejects a lot more radioactive materials in the air than nuclear power

Hypx ,
@Hypx@fedia.io avatar

The author is wrong. It is only a matter of time before Germany goes back to nuclear. Physics won't change regardless of short-term opinion.

jeffw OP ,
@jeffw@lemmy.world avatar

I’m not going to pretend I know what Germans are thinking but I thought the author made a strong case about why they’d dislike nuclear. Doesn’t matter how great it is when it’s unpopular.

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