Google was ordered to identify people who watched certain YouTube videos. Privacy experts say the orders are unconstitutional. ( www.forbes.com )

If the linked article has a paywall, you can access this archived version instead: https://archive.ph/zyhax

The court orders show the government telling Google to provide the names, addresses, telephone numbers and user activity for all Google account users who accessed the YouTube videos between January 1 and January 8, 2023. The government also wanted the IP addresses of non-Google account owners who viewed the videos.

“This is the latest chapter in a disturbing trend where we see government agencies increasingly transforming search warrants into digital dragnets. It’s unconstitutional, it’s terrifying and it’s happening every day,” said Albert Fox-Cahn, executive director at the Surveillance Technology Oversight Project. “No one should fear a knock at the door from police simply because of what the YouTube algorithm serves up. I’m horrified that the courts are allowing this.” He said the orders were “just as chilling” as geofence warrants, where Google has been ordered to provide data on all users in the vicinity of a crime.

therealjcdenton ,
@therealjcdenton@lemmy.zip avatar

Unconstitutional?

Shape4985 ,
@Shape4985@lemmy.ml avatar

Another reason to use piped or invidious

KillingTimeItself ,

they have to ask google for this?

EndHD ,

Google owns YouTube

KillingTimeItself ,

yeah no shit.

I'm surprised they dont already know who watched the videos, with all the domestic spying and shit already happening.

Thcdenton ,

Good thing I have history turned off so I can watch "How to make an AK47 from scratch" in peace :D

jinwk00 ,

They still somehow track your history despite that turned off

Notably with recommendations

SocialMediaRefugee ,

For anyone wondering what the videos were:

In a just-unsealed case from Kentucky reviewed by Forbes, undercover cops sought to identify the individual behind the online moniker “elonmuskwhm,” who they suspect of selling bitcoin for cash, potentially running afoul of money laundering laws and rules around unlicensed money transmitting.

Wes_Dev ,

When companies tell you they respect your privacy and you should give them your data, you tell them it doesn't matter. Because policies can change, and at the end of the day, your privacy isn't always up to an single company.

Wait. This was last year, so not the capitol riot. What happened in January last year? I'm in a decent mood today. Just going to skip looking deeper into this one. I have Factorio to play!

Pantherina ,

What videos where meant?

helpImTrappedOnline , (edited )

The videos are not very relevant to the topic of privacy and our freedom.

Today it might be "extreme anarchy: how to make homemade bombs and guns". On the surface, its a great idea, go stop those people.

However, next year it could be something rediculous like "how to rip CDs".
Clearly you must be pirating, time to fine you $500 or put you through a more costly legal battle trying to prove grandpa's 20 years of CDs were all obtained legally. Wow look at all the free money we just made because most will eat the $500 over hiring a lawyer. What else can we "fine" for?

The idea that the government could use your internet history against you, with no other factors, is as absurd as wire tapping someone and waiting for them to say something they don't like.

jeremyparker ,

Tell me it was "Top 10 Steven Universe Betrayals" without telling me it was "Top 10 Steven Universe Betrayals"

Halosheep ,

I think this comment is possibly one of the best times to use: 🤓

My dude only asked what the videos were lol

helpImTrappedOnline ,

🤓🥸🤓

Agrivar ,

*legal

*legally

helpImTrappedOnline ,

Fixed it for you

KillingTimeItself ,

Today it might be “extreme anarchy: how to make homemade bombs and guns”. On the surface, its a great idea, go stop those people.

How is one supposed to go about creating a multi national gun manufacturing titan if you can't make a few pipe shotguns?

helpImTrappedOnline ,

If you're goal isn't to harm a of bunch people or damage other peoples stuff, I dont care.
Exploding stuff is fun.

intensely_human ,

This picture makes me realize the youtube logo looks like sushi

OpenTTD ,

Am at an Edo's as I type this, can confirm it reminds me of stacked California Rolls. Can also confirm there is no real reason that the YouTube logo should remind me of sushi.

Patches ,

Roko's Basilisk is finally coming to life.

https://youtu.be/ut-zGHLAVLI?si=RSV7VqRyrqN0y1Y3

Murdoc ,

I don't know if I should watch this after reading that story...

J/k.

Kind of.

Wogi ,

I always thought the basilisk was kind of dumb. Atheists invent God, get scared.

Patches ,

Roku will remember this

trashgirlfriend ,

Roko's these nuts

mrmanager ,
@mrmanager@lemmy.today avatar

Just another reason to not have a YouTube account. If you use Newpipe, you can subscribe to feeds anyway without any YouTube account.

Pantherina ,

And a reason for platforms to implement zero trust models. I mean they need to hand out data to 3rd parties, they dont benefit from that?

SimpleX for the Win.

AtmaJnana , (edited )

Isnt NewPipe still making calls to YouTube from your IP? I think you'd need to also configure it to use an Invidious or Piped instance.

devfuuu ,

Until youtube pulls a twitter move where eventually everything will only be available under a login. Wait and see.

reverendsteveii ,

everything works until it doesn't.

CrypticCoffee ,

Are the problem with the people who watch the video, or the people who create, or host the videos?

maniclucky ,

A little bit of everyone? Watchers create demand for creators, which creates demand for hosts. If any link in this chain breaks, then the little ecosystem dies.

Though that's both difficult and reductive. Punishing hosts drives watchers to shadier hosts, with creators following. Punishing creators just creates space for other creators to fill the gap with unpredictable content (be it more of the same, better, worse, or other). Punishing watchers is resource intensive to do well, so the focus has to be on the really bad stuff to get anything done. And conjures articles like these when done poorly.

Mango ,

When you're getting honey dicked by YouTube...

moon ,

Good, maximum jail time for everyone clicking on vtuber videos

echodot ,

But they're not committing any crime.

I say ban the flat earth YouTubers, mostly because their content is so boring.

NorthCountryHermit ,

Any of those punchable "react face" thumbnails. Dont care what the video is about, if it's got one of those stupid faces on it, straight to the fuckin' gulag!

tocopherol ,

From the reports I've heard by amateur youtubers, those dumb face thumbnails actually do get them more traction

Karyoplasma ,

The algorithm favors clickbait and dumb react thumbnails over regular videos because those are the videos that get "engagement". Even if said "engagement" is writing a comment about how much the video sucks, it's a win in YT's book.

nomous ,

A major problem with media and algorithms today is exactly as you said. Engagement is engagement and they don't really care if you're raging or agreeing as long as you're Interacting.

Cryophilia ,

Anyone who enjoys those videos should also be banned. From the internet.

Blackmist ,
echodot ,

I've seen that before but the trouble with that add-on is it just replaces it with a random frame not necessarily one that's helpful or good. At least the stupid faces actually show you what the video is about.

Tick_Dracy ,
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The DeArrow extension works with both ways:

  1. If the community submits a thumbnail (you can vote on them) and a better video headline, that will be the default one. I always try to submit the most relevant thumbnail, even if it might be a spoiler one (it’s up to you if you are interested in the context or not).
  2. In the absence of community submitted content, a random thumbnail will be used (still better than the stupid faces).
Tick_Dracy ,
@Tick_Dracy@lemm.ee avatar

I highly recommend using DeArrow, from the same dev from SponsorBlock.

NorthCountryHermit ,

Nah, I'd rather just not even consume the media. Especially considering video is mostly entertainment media anyways; anything actually useful hidden behind one of those stupid faces, I'll just find an alternative source.

moon ,

vtubing should be a crime

if people haven't figured out already, this is a joke

Ignacio ,
@Ignacio@kbin.social avatar

Is this measure worldwide, or only for United States?

echodot ,

In the first line of the article

Federal investigators have ordered Google to provide information on all viewers of select YouTube videos

Federal, so yeah just the US for now.

barsoap ,

The US isn't the only federation in the world but it's Forbes so yes of course it's the US.

mlg ,
@mlg@lemmy.world avatar

Jokes on you I'm already on the DoD blacklist because I played War Thunder and got spammed with 40 year old "classified" NATOPs by the forums.

MB420GFY ,

lol WT has done more espionage than most countries

echodot ,

If War Thunder adds Space Combat we'll find out about Area 51 in 3 weeks.

EdibleFriend ,
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The fact that that KEEPS HAPPENING is so fucking funny

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