dangblingus ,

This is such an old article at this point. PCs don't get sent to the landfill because the OS isn't supported anymore. That's idiotic.

Darkayne ,
@Darkayne@lemmy.world avatar

I wonder how long it will be until Windows is a subscription based desktop?

KISSmyOS ,

It already is, but it isn't mandatory, yet.

mister_monster ,

For us Linux users it's just a fire sale. Diet cheap PCs incoming.

hamid ,
@hamid@lemmy.world avatar

I'm pretty sure Microsoft's intent is to drop these non-paying non subscribing customers and let them use Linux. Microsoft is 100% focused on promoting Azure consumption, Microsoft 365 and Microsoft Enterprise Agreement customers and not delivering operating systems for people who won't pay monthly.

bruhduh ,
@bruhduh@lemmy.world avatar

They were data mining on non subscribing customers tho, in age of AI nowadays, data mining on real living people is good business

Clbull ,

Launching Windows 11 in the midst of a semiconductor shortage was such a dumb move on Microsoft's part, especially when 11 doesn't really offer that much more than 10. The only real 'groundbreaking' new feature (multiple desktops) was something that Linux had fifteen years ago.

AeonFelis ,

So 2025 will finally be the year of the Linux desktop?

Jennykichu ,
@Jennykichu@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Meanwhile Apple does this every few years and nobody cares.

smolyeet ,

Technically, they do this every year.

TheObviousSolution ,

Sounds to me like an opportunity for Linux and Linux derivatives.

phoenixz ,

Again, Install Linux, get rid of Microsoft shit.

Lucidlethargy ,
@Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works avatar

Yeah, because Linux runs everything!

Except... No, it doesn't. I love Linux for specific uses, but let's be real: it's not a valid replacement for windows yet. Not for ALL types of users.

When it is, then I'll be out on every street corner with you with a sign. But until then, can we not gaslight all of Lemmy?

madsen ,

What are you missing on Linux?

Edit: Kinda weird to downvote for asking an honest question, but sure, knock yourselves out.

sailingbythelee ,

The two most important things missing from Linux are mass familiarity and certain important professional software suites. It isn't that Linux doesn't have software nearly-equivalent to things like the Adobe suite, MS Office, and AutoCAD. It is that it doesn't have those EXACT applications. Like it or not, in a professional setting, you usually have to use the big proprietary applications because that's what everyone else uses. Using standard software reduces compatibility and training headaches, and eases recruitment. Most technically-oriented professionals wouldn't even take a job that disallowed them from accessing and maintaining their competence with the standard software of their profession.

Osito ,

Yup, any finance/accounting staff will not be on Linux

phoenixz ,

No.

Linux runs just-about-everything. Indeed, that does not cover 100% of windows users, but it damn well includes 95% of windows users who use windows for email and word processing and gaming, all of which runs perfectly fine or better on Linux.

Once those are on Linux, I'll shut up indeed but until then, here I am. I'm sick and tired of people happily giving money to a scam company who got where they are by lying and cheating, and then these same people asking me to help them out with their windows shit.

Blackmist ,

Yes, because normal people always throw PCs away when they stop getting security updates.

rickyrigatoni ,
@rickyrigatoni@lemm.ee avatar

most normal people are just going to be happy their computer isn't annoying them about restarting for updates every two days

init ,
@init@lemmy.ml avatar

Oh, Microsoft will still find a way to annoy them, mark my words

umbrella ,
@umbrella@lemmy.ml avatar

just use linux instead.

why are people allergic to windows linux?

Soggy ,

Gaming is the primary driver behind my PC choices by a humongous margin. I'm not really concerned about imvasive anti-cheat software, I don't want to tinker with settings, I want to turn on my computer and play video games. That means I use Windows.

Trollception ,

That doesn't compute here. Like I have literally 0 problems with Windows. That's certainly not been my experience with Linux. Oh bought a new drawing tablet, nah that won't work. Oh need to update for firmware on a device, yeah better have windows. Oh you bought a recent printer, better not use Linux.

mods_are_assholes ,

Fucking nailed it, and peripheral manufacturers have almost zero interest in providing their own linux tools and drivers because of how tiny the marketshare is.

I already spend most of my waking days fixing work related computing bullshit, I don't want to have to spend 3 hours of my free time trying to get my fuckdamn video capture card to work when it's all seamless in Windows.

I mean I have a lot of problems with windows, forced updates, telemetry, the uselessness of modern error messages, but if I just want to chill and relax with some media or games, Windows is clearly the simpler solution.

KyuubiNoKitsune ,

A million percent this. Linux is great for servers at work but I don't want to spend my free time doing what I do every day at work. I just want things to be hassle free. But also at the same time, fuck Win11. My 8 year old PC still runs the latest games with a nvme and a better gf card, why do I need to toss it out.

Eyck_of_denesle ,

It will be like that as long as people are so used to bad products. Linux will have similar but better support if it has more users. It already improved a lot. This myth of printers/tablets not working got quite old now

gamermanh ,

As someone who just installed Linux Mint as a test and uses their machine mostly for gaming:

Linux is perfectly fine for that, too. I had one minor issue that was fixed by plugging a cord into a different plug on my machine and have otherwise had 0 issues getting things to run on the Linux partition of my system.

I actually have seen mostly better performance in the realm of about 10fps better per game than the Win 10 install on the same hardware

Spent less time tinkering with the settings (done via GUI that makes more sense than windoes' 15 different settings menus) than I never have in any version of Windows, synched my firefox over, boom.

Not gonna say Linux is perfect for everything but it does seem a lot of people think it's harder/worse than it is by a mile

dual_sport_dork ,
@dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world avatar

No it won't.

240 million grandmas, cheapskate businesses, and cash-strapped public schools will continue to use whatever operating system their computers already have, forever, until they break, security implications be damned.

funchords ,
@funchords@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

My 76 y/o spouse loves Linux Mint. The 2017-bought desktop was deemed insufficient for Windows 11 and now runs Mint.

Holzkohlen ,

If all they use is a web browser and solitaire then putting them on Linux is super easy. Got my dad on Mint for years now. I recommend KPatience for solitaire needs.

AA5B ,

If all they use is a web browser and solitaire, they should consider a tablet. Even as a techie, with many devices, I spend the most time using my iPad because it works so well for “media consumption”.

Of course it’s only 6 years old, slowing down, and is no longer supported with patches, so maybe that’s not a solution. At least it’s less to go in a landfill

peopleproblems ,

So does anyone have a good strategy for transferring non giant things? Like I have a ton of unorganized pictures, documents, videos dating back to my 2009 1TB HDD that still works.

I think I want to run Debian mostly because I don't know any other build well. Well RHEL, but I want to keep it similar to the Steam Deck as I can

DarkThoughts ,

If you want to play games, then Debian isn't that good of a choice because of the outdated packages. I'd suggest getting a new SSD though. Your HDD is already pretty old and slow and could potentially fail soon, so you might as well get some fresh storage. Makes it easy to test distros too until you found something satisfactory, at which point you can transfer over your old data and eventually format your old HDD into some sort of backup drive I guess.

BombOmOm ,

Linux Mint is a pretty solid option for a desktop OS. And it feels quite a bit like Debian.

Ghostalmedia ,
@Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world avatar

I feel like MS could avoid everyone’s gripes by simply not charging for their security update program. 7 to 13+ years is going to more than cover when most people would’ve upgraded anyway.

Brkdncr ,

That’s not how software works. Maintaining an OS until the end of time is a real problem.

Should they be maintaining the beloved windows xp still?

Ghostalmedia ,
@Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world avatar

Agreed. I’m just looking at the machines that were purchased at the launch of Win 11, but might not have had the proper hardware to transition off 10. I would assume that computers on a that cusp will mostly support 11, but if the extended updates were free, it would ensure those machines would have had 7 years of security updates - which seems like a reasonable lifespan for a computer these days.

Making those updates free would also mean computers that were 13+ years old were also getting security updates, so maybe my recommendation is overkill.

At some point you just need to move on and stop taking customer service calls from people with old hardware.

mark3748 ,

Agreed. I’m just looking at the machines that were purchased at the launch of Win 11, but might not have had the proper hardware to transition off 10.

Windows 11 launched in 2021. The bare minimum hardware (8th gen intel) is from 2017. If you were buying 5+ year old hardware in 2021 then that’s on you.

wizardbeard ,

Don't forget the TPM module! Which has also been pretty damn ubiquitous on mobos for a long ass time.

This is all just clickbait and easy upvotes on lemmy with the big pro-linux movement.

fuckwit_mcbumcrumble ,

TPM is built into the CPU of all 8th gen and ryzen 2000 series CPUs. The module is only needed for older systems.

mark3748 ,

The module is only needed for older systems.

Not needed at all. If you’re installing it on an older system, you’re already bypassing the requirements so why bother with a TPM?

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