Rob ,

Apparently fakebot uses targeted advertising? I'm so glad i use Falcon browser as my alternative. None of this.

Rob ,

How is Mozilla using this ai? Or is it know yet? What are they using it for? How will ai benefit the privacy of Firefox users on the private browser?

Will Mozilla's ai be open source?

PixelProf ,

Lots of immediate hate for AI, but I'm all for local AI if they keep that direction. Small models are getting really impressive, and if they have smaller, fine-tuned, specific-purpose AI over the "general purpose" LLMs, they'd be much more efficient at their jobs. I've been rocking local LLMs for a while and they've been great as a small compliment to language processing tasks in my coding.

Good text-to-speech, page summarization, contextual content blocking, translation, bias/sentiment detection, click bait detection, article re-titling, I'm sure there's many great use cases. And purely speculation,but many traditional non-llm techniques might be able to included here that were overlooked because nobody cared about AI features, that could be super lightweight and still helpful.

If it goes fully remote AI, it loses a lot of privacy cred, and positions itself really similarly to where everyone else is. From a financial perspective, bandwagoning on AI in the browser but "we won't send your data anywhere" seems like a trendy, but potentially helpful and effective way to bring in a demographic interested in it without sacrificing principles.

But there's a lot of speculation in this comment. Mozilla's done a lot for FOSS, and I get they need monetization outside of Google, but hopefully it doesn't lead things astray too hard.

feoh ,

Kinda disappointing how much of the community just takes a giant 💩 on Mozilla whatever it does these days. Funding open source is super crazy hard folks. Notice that the really successful well funded projects are fueled by megacorps?

Offering constructive criticism is great but if you don't have better ideas around how to fund an open browser without selling your soul to GOOG or MSFT then perhaps your energy might be better spent elsewhere.

Fungah ,

Train ai to I filtrate Google and kill sundar prichai.

It won't help anyone's bottom line but then at least sundar prichai would be dead.

ComradePupIvy ,
@ComradePupIvy@lemmygrad.ml avatar

Why AI, no one wants AI...

Source for the no one wanting AI is me... I do not want AI

ombremad ,

The worst enemy of Mozilla is: Mozilla.
This hasn't changed in many years.

onlinepersona ,

Won't donate a cent to Mozilla unless they become a Firefox only non-profit. Fuck em.

CC BY-NC-SA 4.0

nephs ,

So... Who's the board of mozilla hiring the ceo, again? How did this board come to be?

matlag ,

Mozilla downsizes as it refocuses on Firefox and AI drops multiple products and layoff 60 so that its current budget can accomodate the stratospheric compensation of its new CEO.

vrighter ,

fuuk this AI bubble. the browser is one place where ai is not needed

LemmyHead , (edited )

Actually I think AI in browser could potentially become a much more effective content blocker than ad blockers like ublock in the future.

madis ,

I recall there being at least one content blocker that worked by heuristics instead of rulesets. Cannot remember the name, but it was clearly not as effective as conventional ones, because not all ads look the same and usually people want to block the invisible trackers as well.

wewbull ,

You only need Bayesian filters for that IMHO.

amju_wolf ,
@amju_wolf@pawb.social avatar

I dunno, having a free, open model made by a trusted company would be nice. I like initiatives like Mozilla Voice, this could be something similar. Probably not great if it's replacing focus on the other things though.

mp3 ,
@mp3@lemmy.ca avatar

One feature that is currently using a trained model for local processing is Firefox Translations. There are good use for AI that can enhance privacy, but yeah the trend of slapping AI on everything because it is trendy to do so must end.

dangerous50 ,

100% agreed. I just hope whatever this AI they are thinking isnt about what info I should consume. What the AI think is good doesnt mean its the only info I should consume.

OneRedFox ,
@OneRedFox@beehaw.org avatar

Specifically, Mozilla plans to scale back its investment in a number of products, including its VPN, Relay and, somewhat remarkably, its Online Footprint Scrubber

IMO these were their best products. 🙁

Going forward, the company said in an internal memo, Mozilla will focus on bringing “trustworthy AI into Firefox.” To do so, it will bring together the teams that work on Pocket, Content and AI/Ml.

Ugh, god damn it.

pingveno ,

I would assume they're taking a hard look at revenue figures. I currently do use their VPN, but my impression is that it isn't much more than a repackaging of Mullvad VPN. No idea about the other products. Is their Relay and Scrubber offering more outstanding?

InfiniWheel ,

The scrubber is also a repackage, but their relay does seem useful, as a barebones SimpleLogin/Addy.io at least

anachronist ,

Unfortunately Mozilla's brand new CEO is a McKinsey ghoul: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chamberslaura/

slaacaa ,

She spent 2 yrs at McK 20+ yrs ago - hardly a personality-defining milestone, given how a lot of business students start their career in consulting.

anachronist ,

I mean that's pretty standard for a McKinsey ghoul:

  • Step 1: go to an ivy league college, get a business degree
  • Step 2: work for McKinsey for a few years as an associate
  • Step 3: get a job at a McKinsey client leapfrogging everyone else into management/c-suite
  • Step 4: hire McKinsey to bring their arrogant children into your org and screw things up

Everything about her subsequent career has been going from one upper management/c-suite role in a tech company to another. This is not the resume of a person who should be running a nonprofit that controls the most important open source project on the internet. But beyond that just look at what she's done in her one month at Mozilla:

    1. Massive round of layoffs
    1. "Focus on {buzzword}" where {buzzword} in this case is AI

That's straight out of the McKinsey playbook.

TheAnonymouseJoker Mod ,

For once I see legitimate criticism about Mozilla without the Lunduke part. And the worst part is that just like Emily, Laura will be protected from all scrutiny just because she is a woman. It will not matter that she is a capitalist from McKinsey, or that she will eat away at developers' salaries and walk away happily with no consequences. Maybe we will see again, just like Emily, beach photos with arrogance and insults?

Terrible times for Mozilla. AI obsession is just extra damage.

SineNomineAnonymous ,

Laura will be protected from all scrutiny just because she is a woman

Lol what, no. It's because she's for all intents and purposes the CEO, and better yet, an overly paid CEO. When's the last time you've seen the CEO getting their comeuppance?

TheAnonymouseJoker Mod ,

The figurehead is chosen selectively, most likely for political purposes, since Mozilla wants to relate to California rather than Florida. Emily was not competent at all, and Laura somehow comes from McKinsey to handle a non-profit giant. There are plenty people worthy of running Mozilla that are not capitalist leeches.

SineNomineAnonymous ,

You rarely stay very long in those companies nowadays. Unless you aim at becoming CEO in 20 years' time. But otherwise, you just get your golden parachute after a couple of years of doing horrible shit.

Yoz ,

Can an expert explain this - https://aussie.zone/post/6869951

Lemongrab ,

Comparing brave and base Firefox is unfair IMO. Brave is security hardened out of the box, where as Firefox is a general purpose browser and has telemetry in the form of crash reports and the like (which can be turned off). It can be hardend well through arkenfox, or using a fork like Librewolf. Comparing Firefox and chrome is better imho.

Firefox has many built-in anti fingerprinting flags (such as letterboxing, RFP, font limiting, and many more} which when combined with ublock origin are unbeatable. A baked-in content blocker like that of braves loses because it isn't extensible. This website compares on only default settings which aren't representative of the extent each browser can be taken but useful nonetheless: https://privacytests.org/

think1984 ,

A baked-in content blocker like that of braves loses because it isn’t extensible.

In what way? I use(d) Firefox since the very first Firebird days, and Netscape Navigator before it, and I'm practically married to uBO (don't tell my wife!). That said, Brave's 'shields' blocker is just skinned uBO with some tweaks. It can add custom cosmetic filtering rules, additional adblock format filter lists, disable or enable JS (globally or per-site) and has built in fingerprint resistance. Aside from the differing UI, I genuinely can't think of anything overtly missing as such.

Lemongrab ,

I'm stated that because I know baked in features must wait for browser updates to get fixes (not talking about block list updates but the core itself). I also was basing it off a comment I read (can't find sadly) on the limitations of implementing a ublock-style blocklist into brave. And thirdly, I have seen no mention of anything like ublock's blocking modes (block 3rd party scripts/frames). Can you quickly select an element to block in brave?

I might have considered using brave as a 2ndary browser if it werent for the ceo's politics (spending thousands to support anti-lgbt legislation) which I feel are antithetical to privacy.

think1984 ,

And thirdly, I have seen no mention of anything like ublock’s blocking modes (block 3rd party scripts/frames). Can you quickly select an element to block in brave?

You can enter as many custom filter rules as you like, with adblock syntax support. You can select an element to block, yes.

Lemongrab ,

Here is a graph the illustrates the block efficiency of ublock+Firefox compared to other browsers with/without ublock. https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock/wiki/uBlock-Origin-works-best-on-Firefox

Despite the URL name, it shows bare browse Brave and Firefox+ublock compare at blocking 3rd party ads/trackers. It looks like this was updated November of last year.

think1984 ,

Brave isn't represented anywhere on the graph? Unless I've misunderstood you. That's a comparison of Firefox with various ad blockers, and uBO with and without CNAME unclocking enabled. Brave also uncloaks CNAMEs, so that's one place they are equal. Chromium based browsers do lack some abilities compared to Firefox, however. I have daily driven Firefox since the first day, but Brave and Blink/Chromium based browsers are undeniably faster at rendering (unfortunately).

Lemongrab ,

Look at the bottom of the graph. Each grouping is per browser.

think1984 ,

Yes of course. I hadn't slept when I replied, how embarrassing to miss that. You can enable CNAME uncloaking in Brave, which I suspect draws them to a parallel. It would be interesting to see the test repeated with the setting enabled. Since one has to (or had to) enable it in uBO also, it would only be fair to compare apples to apples. As I said, the blocker in Brave is based on uBO anyway. To be clear, and as I've said before, I've daily driven Firefox since the beginning and run uBO in medium mode. I'm not shilling for Brave here, simply pointing out that the differences are small (much of the code is shared with uBO) and it does certainly render faster.

Lemongrab ,

I do understand that you aren't shilling brave. Ublock medium mode is great and I think worth the effort. I wish Firefox had some of the native features present in chromium browsers (mostly quality of life features like native force dark mode on web contents). But I love the extent that Firefox can be taken to reduce not just fingerprinting, but also avenues of attack.

think1984 ,

You can force Firefox to display dark mode in web content (even with privacy tweaks enabled to resist fingerprinting or tracking), by setting the two following hidden prefs in your user.js:

// PREF: enable a Dark theme for browser and webpage content
// [TEST] https://9to5mac.com/
user_pref("ui.systemUsesDarkTheme", 1); // HIDDEN
user_pref("browser.in-content.dark-mode", true); // HIDDEN
Yoz ,

The website you mentioned is created by Brave Developers

Lemongrab ,

Incorrect. It is created by someone who is associated with brave, but not a directly created by Brave. I am sure the tests is accurate (at least per test), but the testing criteria could be biased. It'd just be weird to the end up with Librewolf and Mullvad as a clear winner if the intention was to favor brave browser.

Yoz ,

Lol 🤣🤣🤣

PM_ME_YOUR_ZOD_RUNES ,

I didn't realize Lemmy hated AI so much. Pretty much every post in this thread is bashing the idea. I've found AI to be very useful personally, I use it almost every day. It helped me code a VBA macro from scratch with 0 experience. This tool is saving me and my team hundreds of hours per year. It's also great just as an improved search engine.

PopOfAfrica ,

I like how Kagis search AI works. It gives a link to all of the sources it scraped from.

eletes ,
@eletes@sh.itjust.works avatar

I think the focus is more on how it's the new buzzword that companies are chasing and that most have a solution looking for a problem.

morrowind ,
@morrowind@lemmy.ml avatar

AI is useful, we're just tired of seeing it stuffed everywhere

domi ,
@domi@lemmy.secnd.me avatar

Especially since AI is already in Firefox, the offline translation feature uses local NMT models.

https://github.com/mozilla/firefox-translations-models

misnina ,
@misnina@lemmy.ml avatar

A reminder that there are many firefox forks that exist if base firefox is adding unwanted things or you might have different wants, but sites will still "see" firefox in terms of compatibility. I'm using Librewolf with some annoyances (it doesn't let things fingerprint to the point that it can't even get your current time), but overall I like it.

heygooberman ,
@heygooberman@lemmy.today avatar

According to the Librewolf documentation, fingerprinting can be turned off, but they recommend adding the Canvas Blocker extension in its place. That is my current setup, as I didn't like that websites in Librewolf couldn't get the correct time and time zone for me.

Here's the direct quote from the Librewolf documentation:

If you don't like the downsides of RFP, or you are not concerned about fingerprinting, you can disable RFP in the LibreWolf settings, or in your overrides. In that case consider using an extension like CanvasBlocker to retain at least a minimum amount of fingerprinting protection.

flumph ,
@flumph@programming.dev avatar

While we resourced mozilla.social heavily to pursue this ambitious idea,

How many people do you need to administer a Mastodon instance? I'm pretty sure infosec.exchange is like one dude.

Blisterexe ,
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Didn't they have acustom ui though? Also their moderation is pretty strict

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