futurebird ,
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This MR segment on MAGA demographics is important.

When people say "why do they vote against their own interests?" (assuming MAGA folk are poor, rural) I'm just like "they aren't!"

Planned retirement communities with restrictions on who can move in are... questionable.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZ3svFXdkL8

BernieDoesIt ,
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@futurebird I've always found the "voting against their own best interests" framing to be patronizing. Like, who is the speaker to be telling someone else what they should be most concerned about.

WesternInfidels ,
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@BernieDoesIt @futurebird Sure, it's patronizing to guess what their interests are.

But they will readily enough tell you that (for example) they're in favor of "freedom of speech" and also the banning of these specific books. Or that they're in favor of "law and order" and also pardons for right-wing rioters.

"Voting against their stated values" is an observation that comes from listening to them, from watching them. From taking them seriously.

futurebird OP ,
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@WesternInfidels @BernieDoesIt

I don’t think a kind of inconsistency between what people say they value— and what their actions show they value is uncommon or a uniquely conservative problem. It’s annoying when conservatives pretend they value things like freedom of expression when what they really value is not having to think about some groups of people as if they matter. But who just comes out and says that? ( some conservatives as of late )

BernieDoesIt ,
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@futurebird @WesternInfidels Well, everyone says that values are important, because they're trained to, but some people are clearly more values motivated than others.

Barbramon1 ,
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@futurebird My good friend lives in a large assisted living facility in Ohio, where the base monthly cost is over $4,000 per month. She's a progressive, but she finds herself surrounded by rabid trumpers.
I know this is anecdotal, but obviously these folks are not poor. They are also not rural.

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