@rbreich Apparently so in my Michigan. The parents were presented in a bad light. They are not model citizens. The community they lived in has a gun culture. The school officials could have interfered too. Precedent set. Sad for all concerned. The kids who lost their lives and the kid in jail.
@rbreich the behaviour of kids has changed little in my lifetime and it almost certainly sits on a bell curve. This case trivialises how kids on the edge of that curve are treated and over emphasises the power caregivers have on behaviour. This case demonstrates that it is life saving and common sense to start with the most basic action of preventing harm. Some people are mistaken that these kids have or can learn self control in a short time period and this has led to some pretty crazy stuff, see attached link https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-04-10/review-finds-ndis-commission-failed-to-act-over-autism-program/103693162
Should parents be held responsible when their child kills? Depends on what they did to contribute to it.
Have they one or several guns at home, but fail to teach children about gun safety, fail to lock it properly, portray it as an easy tool to use to respond to social grievance? Use them as props for their greeting cards? Ignore behavioral signs that indicate alienation and willingness to act out violently? It's a long list.
As long as we are forcing women to have their unwanted babies which leaves them being raised in homes were they 'may' be loved but were born UNWANTED, we will have VIOLENCE from children that are raised in homes in which not only that they may have been unwanted themselves or the parents were raised as unwanted.
Its not enough to simply BIRTH A CHILD.
You have to have adequate intelligent and moral value to make sure that child is not raised feral.
WE HAVE MILLIONS OF FERAL CHILDREN IN AMERICA TODAY.
And in a young childs mind, when the only successful solution they have ever seen is through violence, either gaming, on tv, or in their own home, THEY TOO LEARN VIOLENCE IS THE ONLY ANSWER.
Parents FORCED to have children they do not want or cannot afford turns these children into UNHEALTHY parents who in turn raise feral children. AND WE HAVE GENERATIONS OF THESE PEOPLE NOW.
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I mean. If they give him a gun and instill all kinds of violent rhetoric in him...
yeah.
they're responsible until majority. That what being a minor is.
exceptions can be drawn for people in situations where they cannot control their kid because they are in a cult, or a vile environment they can't escape (I'm thinking single mothers in extreme poverty).
Attempts at helping the kid should be considered.
Abuser parents should definitely be held responsible.
@rbreich Bad question which is either trolling for comments or shows an amazing lack of seriousness. Should parents be responsible for any death that is the consequence of the action of their child? That would be an insane position to take. Should they never be responsible for any such action? That would be equally silly. So the answer is, of course, depends.
@rbreich In this case it wasn't so much "should parents be held responsible" is it was, "should anyone be held responsible."
Basically the case the state laid out a textbook negligence case.
Were people harmed? Yes.
Did the defendants have a legal duty to the plaintiffs? Yes
Did the defendants breach that legal duty? Yes
Were the actions of the defendent the proximate cause of that harm? Yes
Were the actions of the defendents the cause-in-fact of that harm? Yes
@rbreich this judgement is going to open all kinds of rabbit holes... If your kid has car accident? Can law enforcement be held individually responsible for things that happen in areas they are supposed to control?
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Definitely, with a caveat that there COULD be mitigating circumstances. But that is up to investigators, DAs, juries to decide. Start from the premise that there is probable cause.
@rbreich If they happily give the kid the weapon and don't lock it up when not being used for supervised target practice yes. in the UK of course the parents would have been locked up for even getting a gun so this is a moot point here
@rbreich Yes, just as they're responsible for damage they cause. Contributing to an accidental manslaughter, in the case of a child who shoots someone, since (if the child is young) a child is presumed to be unable to make decisions on their own.