@passenger I suppose the "or else" would be that Russia can and will outlast Ukraine if the status quo is kept up, in terms of production of the instruments of war and a much larger population to draw on for soldiers (who the Russians have no qualms about sacrificinf in great numbers). Ukraine is already running out of fresh and replacement troops, and so far, countries such as #Germany and #France have not come close to providing Ukraine with what they've already promised, let alone beyond that (also true of the #US, but not to as great an extent) @TomSwirly