breadandcircuses ,
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If you'd like to take a deeper dive into that conflict between mainstream scientists aligned with the conservative IPCC, and other researchers who say climate change is accelerating, I'll recommend a 2023 Scientific American article which provides a thorough review of the situation, along with a couple of my previous posts on the same topic...

SciAm article -- https://archive.is/wao2d

Previous post 1 -- https://climatejustice.social/@breadandcircuses/111562144915686983

Previous post 2 -- https://climatejustice.social/@breadandcircuses/111562288341069556

largess ,
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This entire sorry saga is depressing, especially from Climate Scietiests who should know better. You know the ones who say this is is happening faster then the thought, or things are horrifying, or gob smackingly bananas ... those ones.

I am not suggesting they're bad or even wrong but thoughtful, well intentioned climate scientiests can examine the data and within the bounds of uncertainty arrive at different conclusions.

The ones who look and see the probabilities of the extreme being more likely should be the science being promoted to drive the political discourse and policy implementation (not to drive the evince though to clarify)

The ones who look at the same data and suggest it's much milder should always opine that we should be looking at the other extreme to drive policy, so when they are interviewed they can say "well, this is happening much slower then we expected... " If you're saying "faster then expected", you've fucking failed the rest of us becase there is NO planet B.

All of that aside. No where are we doing anything about any of this and this nonsense is a just depressing distraction.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVFSJINGueM

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Doug_Bostrom ,
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@largess @breadandcircuses

It does seem as though we're beginnning to see a solid trend of empirical evidence suggesting "faster than we thought."

And we know that model projections tend to smooth off rough edges aka "extreme events."

So it seems arguable we have cause to recalibrate, swap the roles of "conservative" vs. "far-fetched."

2023-now as example. If ten years ago somebody had suggested we'd be seeing ocean temperature graphs as they've unfolded over the past year? Today?

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    @breadandcircuses @Nazani @largess

    Eerie serendipity:

    "Analyzing climate and Earth system model simulations of the future, we find that the extreme SST in the North Atlantic and the extreme in Southern Ocean sea ice extent in 2023 lie at the fringe of the expected mean climate change for a global surface-air temperature warming level (GWL) of 1.5°C, and closer to the average at a 3.0°C GWL."

    https://journals.ametsoc.org/view/journals/bams/105/3/BAMS-D-23-0209.1.xml

    Rickd6 ,

    @breadandcircuses your posts always have been well researched. Thanks

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