futurebird ,
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"just a heads up, that 'drawing' of moth people holding a caterpillar baby isn't a drawing, it's ai-generated"

I was a bit annoyed by this as I'm very familiar with the artist (redslug) and just slop posting AI art isn't something I'd expect from them.

Looking over redslug's blog I discovered that they were exploring AI (probably how the person got this idea) but doing so ... well... responsibly.

These events forced me to ask: what do I mean by "responsibly" ?

https://www.tumblr.com/futurebird/744514952775286784/just-a-heads-up-that-drawing-of-moth-people?source=share

futurebird OP ,
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In many ways redslug has more right to use AI tools than most of us do. It's their online art that was gobbled up without permission to make the tools. The least they could do is save them some time drawing individual blades of grass.

AI has so much potential to help artists, and some of them are looking for ways to make that happen even as the tech is mostly being packaged as a product to cut artists out of the production process.

snork303 ,
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@futurebird
I have no illusions. I have no visual artistic talent. None. Zero. My drawings suck.
I do have a great imagination and vocabulary though, and have been able to have AI generate some fantastic images. Do I deem them art? HELL NO.

justafrog ,
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@futurebird Something similar is going on with translation.

The AI's translation usually contains lots of errors, but people who know the source and target languages well can fix those quite easily.

And a lot of the AI translation is okay, so the translator is more of an editor.

As a result, the same text now takes way less time to translate.

Of course, there are many people who just see a magic box which translates, and they no longer hire a translator.

futurebird OP ,
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The thing that makes me angry about AI art is that I feel like I'm being led on. I see a fantastic image that speaks to me in some way and that tells me that someone else cared about this image in the way that I care. Someone wanted to draw a loving family of moths, someone cares about little insects like I do.

But if it's just "AI" maybe that person doesn't exist.

There is a huge difference between using AI as a drawing tool, and using it to make junk content to trick people.

jwcph ,
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@futurebird We're about to discover how much intent matters. Again. Just like we do every time we get a little too excited about technology & start believing it can replace people.

LouisIngenthron ,
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@futurebird How does the "person not exist"?

They still chose to ask the AI for that image. They carefully crafted their prompt to fine tune the output. They filtered through its responses and chose the one that best fit their vision. Something about that particular piece resonated in both them and you.

How is that not art? Why let the specter of AI ruin what could otherwise be a beautiful moment?

HeatherH ,
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@futurebird @baldur

This is a brilliant insight about art and humans.

For millennia art has connected us. The 20th century brought a deliberate effort to disconnect us from ourselves, each other, and from nature. AI generated “art” is a further severance of that connection we have with each other.

llewelly ,
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@futurebird
there's no realistic chance of an image generating model that didn't steal a ton of work; any license curation will reduce the proportion of high-quality images in the dataset, because quality images are more likely to be the work of a person who needs to make a living off their work, and so must be careful about licensing, and reduction in the proportion of high quality work will greatly reduce the quality of images generated, impacting popularity and utility of the model.

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