FantasticalEconomics ,
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The war (or genocide) is a case study in polarization. People cherrypick facts that allign with their views and present them confidently, without support. Whether civilian casualties are over 95% or closer to 50% seems to be determined by folks sentiment towards and .

I'm far from ignorant, but all I've been able to piece together with any certainty is the situation is fucked up. How is everyone else so damned confident they know what's going on and the right solution?

504DR ,
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@FantasticalEconomics

A quick study of the history of Palestine and then the creation of Israel and what had happened since then easily shows me which side I'm on in that conflict, and have been for 20 years now.

The settlements are especially disgusting.

What Israel has done over those years since inception has been wrong at every turn; blatant apartheid for decades has now turned to outright genocide.

With their govts approval, Israeli players are now selling land in Gaza. They plan to build condos on the bombed lands where bodies are still buried in the rubble.

Who does that?!?

Not good, ppl, that's for sure.

FantasticalEconomics OP ,
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@504DR

I definitely agree, that's fucked up. But some questions that relate to it that I have a harder time with:

Is it constructive to talk about "sides" here? Or at the very least, recognizing there are more than two.

Who should be entitled to the land and how should it have been implemented?

And, even if we agree that one 'side' is worse, how do we proceed to actually solve things?

These are some of the questions I don't think have good answers, but others seem to know with certainty.

504DR ,
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@FantasticalEconomics

This picture speaks volumes to me.

As well as the decades of apartheid Palestinians have been living with.

Israel routinely arrests, tortures and kills children, for throwing rocks.

Israel supports Israeli settlers attacking Palestinians and stealing their homes and lands.

Israel controls every aspect of Palestinians lives nowadays, denying food, water and supplies, not only now but for decades.
The number of Israeli ppl killed or harmed by Palestinians is dwarfed by the number of Palestinians killed or harmed by Israel.

At some point, the numbers have to make a difference. And that number of deaths of Palestinians has now grown by tens of thousands due to the current genocide.

Hamas is only a result of all these years of oppression by Israel.

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