Crell ,
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And of course, this site features a half dozen languages and their package system... But forgets about .

Even if you don't use PHP yourself, ignoring one of the largest and best designed package systems (/) is just dumb.

https://deps.dev/

mwop ,
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@Crell It's made by Google. They've only ever paid php lip service, and only if there was some monetary value to them. Things like GData and AppEngine only had good PHP support by them in the early web 2.0 days, when PHP was a more popular/visible choice in the larger web dev ecosystem.

So I'm bummed, but not surprised.

(Also: Not mentioning Packagist on PHP.net doesn't help. All the options listed are endorsed by their languages. I hate that PHP doesn't.)

Crell OP ,
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@mwop My strongest argument about PHP being a good language is how popular and successful it is, despite the long, detailed list of organizational own-goals that PHP manages to pull off. Internals mainly, but user space a bit as well.

mwop ,
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@Crell I do market research yearly, and there's this really weird dichotomy of "PHP is everywhere, powers the vast majority of the web, and has a disproportionate number of developers worldwide" and "PHP is an antiquated language that nobody uses for new projects, nobody teaches, and there aren't enough developers". The truth is likely somewhere in the middle, but it's hugely flabbergasting.

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