@thoughtpunks You know, some of us have been having discussions based on classical ludology as long as we've been engaging in discussions, and even within that context we can't avoid re-treading 90% of what's gone before. Because that really is the vast bulk of ludology. 90% of games over any particular time span, if not notably more, are exactly what had gone before.
That was true on Usenet and true on the Forge (in that brief span of time before it became as much a political collective as a game theoretic one), and continues to be true all over the place today.
Get back to me when videogame ludology gets beyond ludonarrative disjoint as an active subversion of storytelling logos. I'll be waiting. I've always been waiting.