@tuban_muzuru@futurebird Talking about the secular history of holy books in mixed company is always going to be a difficult subject, because those details might not match the traditions of people who follow the book, or the contents of the book itself. I once profoundly offended a Hasidic rabbi by sincerely asking about the variants of the Torah that preceded its standardization around 500 BCE...but by tradition the Torah is about 3,500 years old, not 2,500, and the text has never changed.