pluralistic ,
@pluralistic@mamot.fr avatar

In any scam, any con, any hustle, the big winners are the people who supply the scammers - not the scammers themselves. The kids selling dope on the corner are making less than minimum wage, while the respectable crime-bosses who own the labs clean up. Desperate "retail investors" who buy shitcoins from Superbowl ads get skinned, while the MBA bros who issue the coins make millions (in real dollars, not crypto).

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bigolifacks ,
@bigolifacks@geekdom.social avatar

@pluralistic Last week at work I got an email from a sales manager asking if we'd like to be hooked up with "green" printer toner. As in, an "eco" product whose entire existence depends on us cutting down trees. I couldn't believe it.

Their parent company's website had a little box labelled, "You're in good company" - Google, Tesla, McDonalds, and A P P L E.

A scam 𝘢𝘯𝘥 a bullshit job: having to pretend you're doing your bit to avert catastrophe, yet knowing your product would be a net harm.

Beeks ,
@Beeks@mstdn.party avatar

@pluralistic I found a scammer on TikTok, she apparently has a real Ph.D (physics) and an actual non-profit and if you can just get her 10 million dollars, her 100% effective and very real cure for cancer will be available and free for all.
She's already gained at least 2.5m dollars. I submitted a complaint to her state's attorney general but I have little hope it'll go anywhere.

PaulInRainCity ,
@PaulInRainCity@heads.social avatar

@Beeks @pluralistic

When l got my cancer diagnosis, l did not appreciate the extent to which l would have to protect myself from scammers and quacks.

janne ,

@PaulInRainCity @Beeks @pluralistic

Unfortunately, there's a whole cottage industry of scammers preying on people in desperate situations.

vorlon ,
@vorlon@mastodon.social avatar

@PaulInRainCity @Beeks @pluralistic I'm curious about your experience. Do you mean the difficulty of defending yourself mentally/psychologically, or something else?

I was diagnosed with cancer 4 years ago today, and haven't found scammers to be part of my experience

vorlon ,
@vorlon@mastodon.social avatar

@PaulInRainCity @Beeks @pluralistic the worst I ever had to deal with was a well-meaning but misguided open source colleague who, er, mistook me for a Steve on another continent and suggested I travel to Slovenia for cutting edge medicine that could cure any cancer with CAR-T therapy (which is basically inapplicable to my solid tumor cancer)

DemocracyMattersALot ,
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failedLyndonLaRouchite ,

@pluralistic

"Where are the Customer's yachts"

in his novel Roughing It, Mark Twain spends a great deal of time talking about a hyper speculative bubble in mining stocks in Nevada/California in the 1860s

and how so many people lost their shirts on insanely over priced mining stock or claims

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_mining_in_Nevada

CptSuperlative ,
@CptSuperlative@toot.cat avatar

@pluralistic

Isn't it amazing how the socially highest value, hardest to automate work involves interpersonal care - often physical care - and yet, conventionally, these are the least valued in terms of compensation and status.

timClicks ,
@timClicks@mastodon.nz avatar

@CptSuperlative @pluralistic This is making me think. Thank you.

dpflug ,
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@timClicks @CptSuperlative @pluralistic For many years now, I've pointed out that (generally) the more directly your work helps other people, the less it pays.

Homebrewandhacking ,
@Homebrewandhacking@mastodon.ie avatar

@dpflug @timClicks @CptSuperlative @pluralistic

The more directly your work helps people, the more you are expected to work for free.

e.g. Counselling aka Therapy. I'm expected to work for free because if I charge I can't possibly care.

Emotional labour is in fact, labour.

thepoliticalcat ,
@thepoliticalcat@mastodon.social avatar

@Homebrewandhacking @dpflug @timClicks @CptSuperlative @pluralistic Emotional labor is exhausting, even beyond physical labor. At least when you labor to MAKE something, you can rest afterwards and see concrete results. Healing hurt humans is a different kettle of fish entirely. A lengthy process and a laborious one.

dalias ,
@dalias@hachyderm.io avatar

@dpflug @timClicks @CptSuperlative @pluralistic Related but slightly different: the harder your work is, the less it pays.

dpflug ,
@dpflug@hachyderm.io avatar

@dalias @timClicks @CptSuperlative @pluralistic I feel like that depends on how you define "hard". There are a bunch of mentally hard jobs that pay well, and a lot of physical labor jobs can pay well. I don't see the pattern for this one.

dalias ,
@dalias@hachyderm.io avatar

@dpflug @timClicks @CptSuperlative @pluralistic In the extreme case, CEOs get paid 100-1000x as much as someone doing actual work to do nothing but be bumbling asses and sabotage the actual business. More generally, higher pay usually rewards seniority, "qualifications", exclusivity, etc. - not harder work.

pluralistic OP ,
@pluralistic@mamot.fr avatar

If you'd like an essay-formatted version of this thread to read or share, here's a link to it on pluralistic.net, my surveillance-free, ad-free, tracker-free blog:

https://pluralistic.net/2024/01/15/passive-income-brainworms/#four-hour-work-week

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18+ pluralistic OP ,
@pluralistic@mamot.fr avatar

It's ever been thus. The California gold rush was a con, and nearly everyone who went west went broke. Famously, the only reliable way to cash out on the gold rush was to sell "picks and shovels" to the credulous, doomed and desperate. That's how Leland Stanford made his fortune, which he funneled into eugenics programs (and founding a university):

https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/malcolm-harris/palo-alto/9780316592031/

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18+ pluralistic OP ,
@pluralistic@mamot.fr avatar

That means that the people who try to con you are almost always getting conned themselves. Think of () scams. My forthcoming novel The Bezzle opens with a baroque and improbable fast-food in the town of Avalon on the island of Catalina, founded by the chicle monopolist William Wrigley Jr:

http://thebezzle.org

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18+ pluralistic OP ,
@pluralistic@mamot.fr avatar

Wrigley found fast food declasse and banned it from the island, a rule that persists to this day. In The Bezzle, the forensic detective Martin Hench uncovers The Fry Guys, an MLM that flash-freezes contraband burgers and fries smuggled on-island from the mainland and sells them to islanders though an "affiliate marketing" scheme that is really about recruiting other affiliate markets to sell under you.

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18+ pluralistic OP ,
@pluralistic@mamot.fr avatar

As with every MLM, the value of the burgers and fries sold is dwarfed by the gigantic edifice of finance fraud built around it, with "points" being bought and sold for real cash, which is snaffled up and sucked out of the island by a greedy mainlander who is behind the scheme.

A "bezzle" is 's term for "the magic interval when a confidence trickster knows he has the money he has appropriated but the victim does not yet understand that he has lost it."

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18+ pluralistic OP ,
@pluralistic@mamot.fr avatar

In every scam, there's a period where everyone feels richer - but only the scammers are actually cleaning up. The wealth of the marks is illusory, but the longer the scammer can preserve the illusion, the more real money the marks will pump into the system.

MLMs are particularly ugly, because they target people who are shut out of economic opportunity - women, people of color, working people.

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18+ pluralistic OP ,
@pluralistic@mamot.fr avatar

They necessarily rely on social ties for survival, looking after each others' kids, loaning each other money they can't afford, sharing what little they have when others have nothing.

It's this social cohesion that MLMs weaponize. Crypto "entrepreneurs" are told to suck in friends and family by telling them that they're "building Black wealth." Working women are exhorted to suck in their bffs by appealing to their sisterhood and the chance for "women to lift each other up."

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18+ pluralistic OP ,
@pluralistic@mamot.fr avatar

The "sales people" trying to get you to buy crypto or leggings or supplements are engaged in predatory conduct that will make you financially and socially worse off, wrecking their communities' finances and shattering the mutual aid survival networks they rely on. But they're not getting rich on this - they're also being scammed:

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4686468

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18+ pluralistic OP ,
@pluralistic@mamot.fr avatar

This really hit home for me in the mid-2000s, when I was still editing @boingbot. We had a submission form where our readers could submit links for us to look at for inclusion on the blog, and it was overwhelmed by spam. We'd add all kinds of antispam to it, and still, we'd get floods of hundreds or even thousands of spam submissions to it.

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18+ pluralistic OP ,
@pluralistic@mamot.fr avatar

One night, I was lying in my bed and watching spam roll in. They were for small businesses in the rustbelt, handymen, lawn-care, odd jobs, that kind of thing. They were a million miles from the kind of thing we'd post about on Boing Boing. They were coming in so thickly that I literally couldn't finish downloading my email - the POP session was dropping before I could get all the mail in the spool. I had to ssh into my mail server and delete them by hand. It was maddening.

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18+ pluralistic OP ,
@pluralistic@mamot.fr avatar

Frustrated and furious, I started calling the phone numbers associated with these small businesses, demanding an explanation. I assumed that they'd hired some kind of sleazy marketing service and I wanted to know who it was so I could give them a piece of my mind.

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18+ pluralistic OP ,
@pluralistic@mamot.fr avatar

But what I discovered when I got through was much weirder. These people had all been laid off from factories that were shuttering due to globalization. As part of their termination packages, their bosses had offered them "retraining" via "courses" in founding their own businesses.

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18+ pluralistic OP ,
@pluralistic@mamot.fr avatar

The "courses" were the precursors to the current era's rise-and-grind hustle-culture scams (again, the only people getting rich from that stuff are the people selling the courses - the "students" finish the course poorer). They promised these laid-off workers, who'd given their lives to their former employers before being discarded, that they just needed to pull themselves up by their own boostraps:

https://pluralistic.net/2023/04/10/declaration-of-interdependence/#solidarity-forever

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18+ pluralistic OP ,
@pluralistic@mamot.fr avatar

After all, we had the internet now! There were so many new opportunities to be your own boss! The course came with a dreadful build-your-own-website service, complete with an overpriced domain sales portal, and a single form for submitting your new business to "thousands of search engines."

This was nearly 20 years ago, but even then, there was really only one search engine that mattered: Google.

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18+ pluralistic OP ,
@pluralistic@mamot.fr avatar

The "thousands of search engines" the scammers promised to submit these desperate peoples' websites to were just submission forms for directories, indexes, blogs, and mailing lists. The number of directories, indexes, blogs and mailing lists that would publish their submissions was either "zero" or "nearly zero."

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18+ pluralistic OP ,
@pluralistic@mamot.fr avatar

There was certainly no possibility that anyone at Boing Boing would ever press the wrong key and accidentally write a 500-word blog post about a leaf-raking service in a collapsing deindustrialized exurb in Kentucky or Ohio.

The people who were drowning me in spam weren't the scammers - they were the scammees.

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18+ pluralistic OP ,
@pluralistic@mamot.fr avatar

But that's half the story. Years later, I discovered how our submission form was getting included in this get-rich-quick's submissions, It was a MLM! Coders in eastern Europe were getting work via darknet websites that promised them relative pittances for every submission form they reverse-engineered and submitted. The smart coders didn't crack the forms directly - they recruited other, less business-savvy coders to do that for them, and then often as not, ripped them off.

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18+ pluralistic OP ,
@pluralistic@mamot.fr avatar

The scam economy runs on this kind of indirection, where scammees are turned into scammers, who flood useful and productive and nice spaces with useless dross that doesn't even make them any money. Take the submission queue at @clarkesworld, the great online magazine, which famously had to close after it was flooded with thousands of junk submission "written" by LLMs:

https://www.npr.org/2023/02/24/1159286436/ai-chatbot-chatgpt-magazine-clarkesworld-artificial-intelligence

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18+ pluralistic OP , (edited )
@pluralistic@mamot.fr avatar

There was a 0% chance that would accidentally accept one of these submissions. They were uniformly terrible. The people submitting these "stories" weren't frustrated sf writers who'd discovered a "" that let them turn out more brilliant prose at scale.

They were scammers who'd been scammed into thinking that AIs were the key to a life of , a 4-Hour Work-Week powered by an AI-based self-licking ice-cream cone:

https://pod.link/1651876897/episode/995c8a778ede17d2d7cff393e5203157

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18+ pluralistic OP ,
@pluralistic@mamot.fr avatar

This is absolutely classic passive-income brainworms thinking. "I have a bot that can turn out plausible sentences. I will locate places where sentences can be exchanged for money, aim my bot at it, sit back, and count my winnings." It's logic on meth: find a thing people pay for, then, without bothering to understand why they pay for that thing, find a way to generate something like it at scale and bombard them with it.

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18+ pluralistic OP ,
@pluralistic@mamot.fr avatar

Con artists start by conning themselves, with the idea that "you can't con an honest man." But the factor that predicts whether someone is connable isn't their honesty - it's their desperation. The kid selling drugs on the corner, the mom desperately DMing her high-school friends to sell them leggings, the cousin who insists that you get in on their shitcoin - they're all doing it because the system is rigged against them, and getting worse every day.

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18+ pluralistic OP ,
@pluralistic@mamot.fr avatar

These people reason - correctly - that all the people getting really rich are scamming. If Amazon can make $38b/year selling "ads" that push worse products that cost more to the top of their search results, why should the mere fact that an "opportunity" is obviously predatory and fraudulent disqualify it?

https://pluralistic.net/2023/11/29/aethelred-the-unready/#not-one-penny-for-tribute

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18+ pluralistic OP ,
@pluralistic@mamot.fr avatar

The quest for passive income is really the quest for a "greater fool," the economist's term for the person who relieves you of the useless crap you just overpaid for. It rots the mind, atomizes communities, shatters solidarity and breeds cynicism:

https://pluralistic.net/2023/02/24/passive-income/#swiss-cheese-security

The rise and rise of cannot be separated from this phenomenon.

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18+ pluralistic OP ,
@pluralistic@mamot.fr avatar

The botshit in our search-results, our social media feeds, and our in-boxes isn't making money for the enshittifiers who send it - rather, they are being hustled by someone who's selling them the "picks and shovels" for the AI gold rush:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/jan/03/botshit-generative-ai-imminent-threat-democracy

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18+ pluralistic OP ,
@pluralistic@mamot.fr avatar

That's the true cost of all the automation-driven unemployment : while we're nowhere near a place where bots can steal your job, we're certainly at the point where your boss can be suckered into firing you and replacing you with a bot that fails at doing your job:

https://pluralistic.net/2024/01/11/robots-stole-my-jerb/#computer-says-no

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18+ pluralistic OP ,
@pluralistic@mamot.fr avatar

The manic "entrepreneurs" who've been stampeded into panic by the (correct) perception that the economy is a game of musical chairs where the number of chairs is decreasing at breakneck speed are easy marks for the Leland Stanfords of AI, who are creating generational wealth for themselves by promising that their bots will automate away all the tedious work that goes into creating value.

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18+ pluralistic OP ,
@pluralistic@mamot.fr avatar

Expect a lot more Amazon Marketplace products called "I'm sorry, I cannot fulfil this request as it goes against OpenAI use policy":

https://www.theverge.com/2024/1/12/24036156/openai-policy-amazon-ai-listings

No one's going to buy these products, but the AI picks-and-shovels people will still reap a fortune from the attempt. And because history repeats itself, these newly minted billionaires are continuing Leland Stanford's love affair with eugenics:

https://www.truthdig.com/dig-series/eugenics/

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18+ pluralistic OP ,
@pluralistic@mamot.fr avatar

The fact that AI spam doesn't pay is important to the fortunes of AI companies. Most high-value AI applications are very risk-intolerant (self-driving cars, radiology analysis, etc). An AI tool might help a human perform these tasks more accurately - by warning them of things that they've missed - but that's not how AI will turn a profit. There's no market for AI that makes your workers cost more but makes them better at their jobs:

https://locusmag.com/2023/12/commentary-cory-doctorow-what-kind-of-bubble-is-ai/

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18+ pluralistic OP , (edited )
@pluralistic@mamot.fr avatar

Plenty of people think that spam might be the elusive high-value, low-risk AI application. But that's just not true. The point of AI spam is to get clicks from people who are looking for better content. It's SEO. No one reads 2000 words of algorithm-pleasing LLM garbage over an omelette recipe and then subscribes to that site's feed.

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18+ pluralistic OP ,
@pluralistic@mamot.fr avatar

And the omelette recipe generates pennies for the spammer that posted it. They are doing massive volume in order to make those pennies into dollars. You don't make money by posting one spam. If every spammer had to pay the actual recovery costs (energy, chillers, capital amortization, wages) for their query, every AI spam would lose (lots of) money.

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18+ pluralistic OP ,
@pluralistic@mamot.fr avatar

Hustle culture and passive income are about turning other peoples' dollars into your dimes. It is a negative-sum activity, a net drain on society. Behind every seemingly successful "passive income" is a con artist who's getting rich by promising - but not delivering - that elusive passive income, and then blaming the victims for not hustling hard enough:

https://www.ftc.gov/business-guidance/blog/2023/12/blueprint-trouble

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18+ pluralistic OP ,
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I'm Kickstarting the audiobook for The Bezzle, sequel to Red Team Blues, narrated by ! Pre-order the audiobook and ebook, DRM free, as well as the hardcover. There's also bundles with Red Team Blues in ebook, audio or paperback:

http://thebezzle.org

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18+ pluralistic OP ,
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aen_the_acolyte ,
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@pluralistic should this entire thread be on public visibility? feels like spam when you post it tbh

18+ pluralistic OP ,
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18+ steinarb ,
@steinarb@mastodon.social avatar

A nice mastodon display tip from @pluralistic

18+ yacc143 ,
@yacc143@mastodon.social avatar

@pluralistic
Well, if your bombs are cheap enough to produce and deploy, why not, carpet bomb the internet with a billion of them, and if you get a dollar for only 1/100000th of them, that's $10000 for you.

And if manage to make the $1 to be recurring monthly, ...

That was always the economy of SPAM. The handful of idiots per million emails sent who bought penis enlargement products. So we ended up with SMTP being so ugly that half a dozen big silos provide 99+% of email today.

18+ benx ,
@benx@kolektiva.social avatar

@pluralistic @clarkesworld

I've been thinking a lot recently about just how many jobs fit into this pattern, while wading through the job market atm.

It also made me think of David Graeber's Bullshit Jobs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullshit_Jobs

18+ infodoq ,
@infodoq@mastodon.social avatar

@pluralistic @clarkesworld MLM and LLM - too similar to be a coincidence?

graphite ,
@graphite@plasmatrap.com avatar

@pluralistic it's funny that with microsoft trying to add an AI key, in the near future pressing the wrong key and accidentally writing a 500-word blog post wouldn't sound so ridiculous

18+ Viss ,
@Viss@mastodon.social avatar

@pluralistic there's infosec training like this

18+ ejsarge ,
@ejsarge@hachyderm.io avatar

@pluralistic If the US won WWII through greater manufacturing might what will happen in the next major conflict that a lot of that has moved to China? Will the billionaires still think they got a cheap deal when they’re under Chinese control?

18+ fifilamoura ,
@fifilamoura@eldritch.cafe avatar

@pluralistic This shattering of mutual aid networks is perhaps the most pernicious aspect of MLMs, that they trade on trust and social connections. They also deeply harm attempts by people with chronic illnesses to create mutual support networks and create predatory networks that target the most vulnerable.

18+ thesquirrelfish ,
@thesquirrelfish@sfba.social avatar

@pluralistic this is where I think the stock market & venture capital & real estate market is today. Lots of bets on companies that have never made money, houses destined to burn or flood before the mortgage is paid off, and the people who end up with stock in Uber or a 30 year mortgage in a new home in Paradise will end up the losers when reality in the form of insurance costs & the end of the free money hits. So many companies seem to exist purely due to the sunk cost fallacy.

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