Blinken expresses frustration at changes to Gaza ceasefire deal requested by Hamas ( www.cnn.com )

A diplomatic source told CNN the Hamas response “contained amendments to the Israeli proposal, including a timeline for a permanent ceasefire and the complete withdrawal of Israeli troops from the Gaza Strip.”

A senior US administration official told CNN that “the goalposts are moving,” in Hamas’ response, and the group “is now pressing for even greater specificity than it did before.”

Did they think no questions would be asked or details were needed?

slurpinderpin ,

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    JimboDHimbo ,

    A Zionist is talking? Eww. Go back to your reddit bot bubble if you think we're terrorist apologists.

    slurpinderpin ,

    Nope, not Jewish or Israeli, don’t really care about it. Just looking at it from their perspective. They’re whooping the shit out of Hamas in a war currently, why would they stop unless they get everything they demand?

    goferking0 OP ,

    Where did anyone say Jewish?

    slurpinderpin ,

    I don’t care about Zionism in the slightest. I’m interested in how international states interact with each other.

    We all care about innocent people being killed. Israel and Hamas do not. So we need to take our emotions out of the equation and look at this situation from their perspectives. Israel will not stop killing people unless all of their demands are met. Hamas will not get anything they demand because they are currently being obliterated, they have no leverage in these negotiations

    JimboDHimbo ,

    If you're calling us terrorists apologists, then you're parroting Zionist propaganda. Emphasis on the parrot.

    slurpinderpin ,

    There is a war. One side is winning, the other is being decimated. Why would the winning side come to the table and make any concessions?

    Take all the emotions out of it. Remove the actors and please answer my question.

    JimboDHimbo ,

    There is a genocide, and there are freedom fighters. Tell me, which side is out there killing women and children daily. It's interesting that I've never had to see a child with the top half of his head missing until Israel started bombing tf out of Gaza.

    I like how you're straight up ignoring the terrorist apologist comment you made. And really? Your current question wasn't even your original standpoint. You just came in here talking shit. So no, I don't think I give a care enough to answer your sociopathic question. "Take emotions out of it." Get real.

    slurpinderpin ,

    How many women and children did the US kill in order to win WW2? War is dirty and messy and that’s why it fucking sucks. We all want it to end but sitting here trying to make an argument for why Hamas should get any of their demands is silly. Israel doesn’t care about killing innocent people to win this war, clearly. So if Hamas wants it to end, it will need to surrender unconditionally. Period. Or else Israel will just keep trucking

    Is it horrible and sad? Of course. Is that going to change Israel’s tactics? Probably not. So you gotta square with reality, and if you want it to end, concessions will need to be made from your side

    JimboDHimbo ,

    You lost the argument. Take a hike, touch grass, sniff paint, jog on, do one.

    slurpinderpin ,

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    JimboDHimbo ,

    May your house appear on CNN, and your bloodline end with you.

    JimboDHimbo ,

    I didn't call you Jewish or Israeli. I called you a Zionist.

    slurpinderpin ,

    https://lemmy.world/comment/10601965

    jordanlund Mod ,
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    Removed, civility.

    JimboDHimbo ,

    Go ahead and remove this entire comment thread Jordan, I don't think he and I will be reaching any type of civility with each other any time soon. Sorry.

    jordanlund Mod ,
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    Removed, civility.

    djsoren19 ,

    Why does everyone think Hamas is fucking stupid? Israel violates agreements with Palestine constantly, their increased illegal settlements on Palestinian land is what motovated the current conflict. If Israel and the U.S. are unwilling to provide something as simple as a timeline, I don't think Hamas is the one negotiating in bad faith.

    nkat2112 ,
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    ...the complete withdrawal of Israeli troops from the Gaza Strip.

    Why should that be a problem? Isn't it a fair request to have the invading army leave their land for the purpose of a cease-fire? Was there an intention to have a ceasefire all the while IDF soldiers point guns at Palestinians?

    goferking0 OP ,

    Feels like they had no actual plan for if the deal was accepted

    ryathal ,

    For formal peace absolutely. For a ceasefire to allow hostages to be released and prisoners returned, a full withdrawal doesn't make sense.

    Rapidcreek ,

    When you request things that were previously rejected it's not a good thing, All is not lost.

    goferking0 OP ,

    we want actually details is where it seems to be failing.

    Rapidcreek ,

    https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-06-12/ty-article/hamas-responds-to-egypt-qatar-on-gaza-cease-fire-and-hostage-release-plan/00000190-08db-d0f9-a1d5-d8fb2b450000

    goferking0 OP ,

    Sources in Hamas told Haaretz that "The amendments that were submitted are intended to ensure that the withdrawal and cease-fire be established in the first phase, and that Israel will not be able to evade the implementation of all stages of the deal and return to fighting once all the hostages are released."

    How dare they want to ensure a ceasefire actually happens

    Rapidcreek ,

    Their details are another word for demands. They are still demanding a permanent ceasefire at the outset. Biden's plan called for a negotiated permanent ceasefire in Phase 2. In addition, they want to substitute dead bodies for Phase 1 hostage release.

    goferking0 OP ,

    Almost like everyone already knows Israel won't go to phase 2

    Rapidcreek ,

    I'm more interested in the process. Hamas has demanded a permanent ceasefire and withdrawal since the beginning, and it has been rejected every time. Biden's plan called for a temporary ceasefire leading to a negotiated permanent one. And that would be guaranteed by the US. Bliken has to make lemonade from lemons. Glad it's him and not me.

    goferking0 OP ,

    Why do you anyone is mad at you? It's frustration that the US continues to do this exact routine and now hilarious blinkin is angry he has to actually do work

    Rapidcreek ,

    A lot of diplomacy at that level is theatre. Everyone is an actor in some sense. Blinken successfully completed secret negotiations with Iran in the 5 State agreement that Trump tore up, so he's pretty good at it.

    goferking0 OP ,

    His background is national security not diplomacy.

    Source on him being the reason it was successful? That'd be impressive for a non diplomat to be the one to do it as he was Bidens national security advisor at the time

    Rapidcreek ,

    He was Deputy Secretary of State. 11

    goferking0 OP ,

    Yes, after the deal

    Mr. Kerry argued that Ms. Sherman deserved the post after leading the effort to roll back Iran’s nuclear program so that it could not race for a bomb. Those negotiations are entering into what may be their final stretch, with a deadline of Nov. 24.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/08/world/middleeast/antony-blinken-is-obamas-choice-for-no-2-state-department-post.html

    Rapidcreek ,

    Here is a timeline.

    https://www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/Timeline-of-Nuclear-Diplomacy-With-Iran

    Have fun

    goferking0 OP ,

    That does nothing to support Blinken as a good negotiator. Just like his resume paints him as a war hawk which is the opposite of what we need as secretary of state

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