Today ,

I share this frequently but mostly just get downvoted...
Trump signed the 2018 farm bill which legalized hemp. Because of the testing rules, marijuana is legally shipped most states. I think there are about 6 states that have outlawed it. There are many vendors and farms who sell online. I live in Texas and have had an ounce delivered to my mailbox each month for the year and a half, plus other orders when a good flower or vape goes on sale.

morphballganon ,

Another day, another fascist account to block.

anticolonialist OP ,

That's sweet that you think you would know a fascist when you see one, but ready and willing to vote one back into office.

PugJesus ,
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Yes, yes, we get it, red fash crave fascism as much as the blackshirts do.

Bipta ,

He'll do it close to the election to energize voters. Not at all fair to those suffering, but I'm confident it's coming.

Zehzin ,
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The Democrat strategy has always been to avoid changing the status quo to not upset the mystical "moderate conservative" that would vote for them somehow. They're not doing shit this close to an election

Dondi_419 ,

Figures.

Ep1cFac3pa1m ,
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Dondi_419 ,

Nothing but trouble lol.

^Ban Video Gmes*^

rdyoung ,

Get the fuck out of here with this shit.

anticolonialist OP ,

Officials said there are currently no Americans serving prison time solely on federal simple marijuana possession charges. But they said the number who had been charged with that crime was north of 6,500

6500 out of 100k+ yearly is 'nothing'

Ep1cFac3pa1m ,
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So tell your governor to decriminalize it at the state level.

anticolonialist OP ,

If Biden made the claim he has the power to do it, he should be the one to deliver.

Ep1cFac3pa1m ,
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I don’t really think it’s up to the President to explain the difference between federal law enforcement and state law enforcement 🤷‍♂️

givesomefucks ,

You're literally arguing that Biden should tell states that state law supersecedes federal law...

We literally fought a whole war over this.

Ep1cFac3pa1m ,
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No, I’m telling you to tell your state to decriminalize it.

givesomefucks ,

So your opinion is the Confederacy was right in the Civil War?

And even if the federal government made slavery illegal, all the South had to do was ignore it?

Because you just don't seem to understand what you're promoting...

Ep1cFac3pa1m ,
@Ep1cFac3pa1m@lemmy.world avatar

Are you arguing that sanctuary cities are wrong?

givesomefucks ,

....

Historically?

They were started by religious fundamentalists, and it was kind of a shitshow

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanctuary_city

Post 1985 SF "sanctuary cities" where the city says they won't spend money enforcing federal law?

That's fine, and actually legal.

The Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996 addressed the relationship between the federal and local governments. Minor crimes, such as shoplifting, became grounds for possible deportation.[42] The legislation outlawed cities' bans against municipal workers reporting a person's immigration status to federal authorities.[43] Nothing in the law forces states or local governments to help the federal government with immigration enforcement.[44]

But if that's the balance you're looking for, if trump is elected he could raid "legal" stores in states he doesn't like and seize all the money. Just like CBP and ICE can still operate in a sanctuary city.

Do you think trump won't do that?

Ep1cFac3pa1m ,
@Ep1cFac3pa1m@lemmy.world avatar

So if you’re ok with state and local agencies not enforcing federal immigration law, why are federal drug laws different?

I’m also not sure where you got this idea I’d rather have Trump. Overall I’m satisfied with Biden’s performance.

givesomefucks ,

So if you’re ok with state and local agencies not enforcing federal immigration law, why are federal drug laws different?

Sanctuary cities can't stop ICE or CBP from arresting anyone...

And there is nothing stopping the federal government from raiding "legal" stores, arresting everyone, and seizing all the money.

That's why your "solution" isn't an actual solution.

I'm not saying you support trump, I'm saying any president who wanted to could do that and use the money for something they want.

And trump not doing it his first term is already surprising, you think he would have hesitated to do it to Cali if he thought of it?

The next Republican president probably won't be as stupid as trump. But he's gonna want all the same policies.

Ep1cFac3pa1m ,
@Ep1cFac3pa1m@lemmy.world avatar

I never said it was a solution. It should be decriminalized entirely. But in the meantime, decriminalizing it at the state level helps everyone in that state. Any harm reduction is worth doing.

givesomefucks ,

But do you understand that your solution isn't even a bandaid?

It's just ignoring the wound.

In this case infection would be a conservative president siccing the DEA on "legal states".

And if Biden won't/can't get the DEA to deschedule, how is he able to stop the DEA if they decide they want the billions in seized revenue from blue states to use at the border?

You're arguing Biden has no power over them (which me and the Congressional Research Services disagee with) but if that's true, wouldn't he also be unable to stop the DEA from enforcing federal law in those states?

ShellMonkey ,
@ShellMonkey@lemmy.socdojo.com avatar

Look up one tier. Take it or anything else of the controlled substances schedules this very moment and it will not be illegal. Great, but until there is a federal law, which has to go through Congress to happen, it's not a 'right' and states can declare it legal or not as they wish. It's the basic premise of the 10th amendment, if the feds don't declare something as in or out then it's fair game for the states.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

ShellMonkey ,
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He has the power to do something federally to make it 'not illigal'. However this is not the same as making it a declared legal right. Technically states could outlaw alcohol today too, and you do find 'dry' counties out there, but most don't want to be left out of that sweet tax revenue.

That all says, even if Biden could wave a wand and make it fully not illigal federally, if your state says no then you're stuck anyhow.

givesomefucks ,

If they go first, they're legalizing a drug against federal law...

Do we really want to encourage conservative states to pass laws against fed law and to refuse to enforce federal law?

If Biden descheduled, or even rescheduled, then it would be defacto legal in lots of states.

I get it, Biden is the best option we have, it's sucks.

But don't lie about what he can do to make him seem better. The only way he'll do anything is pressure. And eve n then only before a big election.

Ep1cFac3pa1m ,
@Ep1cFac3pa1m@lemmy.world avatar

Plenty of states have decriminalized it, and work has begun to reschedule it.

givesomefucks ,

Plenty of Blue states, and that's not a perfect solution.

So again:

Do we really want to encourage conservative states to pass laws against fed law and to refuse to enforce federal law?

Do you think the federal government should be telling conservative states to ignore federal law?

Because we've already set the precedent states don't have to follow federal law, and I'm not sure if you've heard anything about the supreme court lately but...

Ep1cFac3pa1m ,
@Ep1cFac3pa1m@lemmy.world avatar

So wait for the rescheduling process to be completed. In the meantime, tell your state to decriminalize it so that once the feds are done people stop getting locked up for violating state laws.

givesomefucks ,

So wait for the rescheduling process to be completed

....

Biden promised decriminalization...

That's not rescheduling.

In the meantime, tell your state to decriminalize

....

Many states have laws that make anything on various schedules illegal, and don't explicitly have laws against cannabis. If a drug is illegally federally, it's illegal in those states.

Even if they got rid of their laws, you're still wanting the federal government to tell states their laws override federal law.

You're missing very basic information about this to be so opinionated.

Ep1cFac3pa1m ,
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Cannabis is illegal because it’s classified as a schedule I drug in regards to the controlled substances act. Rescheduling it is decriminalizing it.

There’s no reason for you to take this so personally. I’m criticizing your opinion, no need to get defensive.

givesomefucks ,

Rescheduling it is decriminalizing it.

No, it's not.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/sarahsinclair/2024/03/18/biden-says-hes-taking-care-of-federal-cannabis-laws-but-is-rescheduling-enough/?sh=66657a934e8d

There’s no reason for you to take this so personally

Either you have no idea what you're talking about about, or you're willfully spreading misinformation...

You keep saying false things and insisting they're true, and I keep linking your sources showing why your argument is wrong...

But all you do is make another false statement

Ep1cFac3pa1m ,
@Ep1cFac3pa1m@lemmy.world avatar

The President can’t remove a substance from the Controlled Substances Act. Talk to your representative and senators.

https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/LSB/LSB10655

givesomefucks ,

Hey, I know that link...

Although the President may not unilaterally deschedule or reschedule a controlled substance, he does possess a large degree of indirect influence over scheduling decisions. The President could pursue the appointment of agency officials who favor descheduling, or use executive orders to direct DEA, HHS, and FDA to consider administrative descheduling of marijuana. The notice-and-comment rulemaking process would take time, and would be subject to judicial review if challenged, but could be done consistently with the CSA’s procedural requirements. In the alternative, the President could work with Congress to pursue descheduling through an amendment to the CSA.

It's a good one, I know it sucks downloading a PDF, but you really should so you can read it.

Ep1cFac3pa1m ,
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Even the HHS secretary can’t just deschedule a drug on a whim. The HHS secretary has to present evidence that it shouldn’t be scheduled, and then the DEA has to get involved, and it requires input from the public and experts in the field.

The easier solution is for congress to amend the CSA. Putting the blame on Biden is disingenuous, especially given the fact that he’s trying to move things in the right direction.

givesomefucks ,

So...

You disagree with the link you just provided?

Because I'm pretty sure they know more about what a president can do than either of us...

Like. You know that's the Congressional Research Services you're arguing with, right?

Ep1cFac3pa1m ,
@Ep1cFac3pa1m@lemmy.world avatar

“Appoint officials who favor…”

“Direct to consider…”

Where does it say they can deschedule it on a whim?

givesomefucks ,

Where does it say they can deschedule it on a whim?

What?

Decriminalization was literally a campaign promises he made four years ago...

A screenshot of his campaign website is what you're commenting on right now

How is that "on a whim"?

captainlezbian ,

Dude, pot was decriminalized in Ohio a long while ago, and we just legalized it against our government’s wishes.

givesomefucks ,

That's my point.

The longer moderate Dems drag their feet, the more argument there is precedent state law supercedes federal law.

Do you legitimately not see the issue with that?

Are both parties going to be yelling about state rights now? Because I thought we had a while longer before shit got that bad.

captainlezbian ,

States should have certain rights, and I do support full federal legalization. I just also don’t want the president to be so powerful they can override congress and the states because that’s a dictator.

givesomefucks ,

I just also don’t want the president to be so powerful they can override congress and the states because that’s a dictator.

Like the Southern States during the Civil War?

It's kind of a popular opinion again these days, but I don't agree with it.

Also, you may be disappointed to find out that the Congress Research Services determined a president is that powerful, and can simply replace any agency head that disagrees with it.

Now, maybe your comfortable with Biden not abusing that, but whether Biden uses that power or not, every other president has that option.

So how much do you pressure Biden to change that?

That's the thing with "moderates" they won't use power to help because it might be used to harm, but they do nothing about stopping that abuse permanently.

They don't offer any solutions to either side of an issue, be a use the threat of the other side abusing the powers moderates won't use, is often the only way voters can be convinced to vote for a moderate.

captainlezbian ,

No, the southern states argued that under no circumstances could the federal government ban anything.

And I do think he should replace agency heads. But I’m pretty sure it’s a congressional ban not an fda or DEA ban. But yeah, dude’s a moderate. It’s why I voted against him in the primaries this year and in 2020. But also knock it the fuck off. You sound like a lunatic. You don’t make you sound smart or your opponents sound evil, you make your position sound dumber than it has to.

Edit: it looks like it’s banned by scheduling which is its own entire can of worms and the entire scheduling system needs to be abolished or completely overhauled, but yeah my misconception on that is very common so maybe start there rather than by calling people confederates

And the reason I fear executive overreach is because the next republican will do it and I want it struck down before my fucking life is ruined as their current favorite target

shortwavesurfer ,

Actually, state law does supersede federal law. Federal law only comes into effect when moving between states. Because a state in the classic definition is a country, not a territory of another country. In other words, each of our 50 states is a country, the country of New Hampshire, the country of Texas, the country of Arizona, and they just happen to have agreed to be underneath a bigger entity.

givesomefucks ,

We literally fought a war over this...

The side with your opinion lost btw.

shortwavesurfer ,

Yes, we did. And at the rate the federal government is abusing the states, it would not surprise me if we find ourselves an another one. Empires rise and empires fall. Look at history for some examples.

ShellMonkey ,
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supremacy_Clause

I'm going to give the benefit of the doubt here and guess you're thinking of the 10th amendment that says in short 'if a right isn't specifically given to the feds it is reserved to the states', but that doesn't put state law over federal law in any case.

nibble4bits ,

He can't pardon state level charges, in most states that would be their Governors. And I'm sure the Republicans would beat on their "States Rights" drum.

rdyoung ,

This right here. It's not like no progress has been made and the legality of things is not under the presidents purview. Biden can't wave his hands and declare weed legal across the country. It's close to being moved away from the current scheduling which will be a giant step forward.

Plus, for the convictions, I'm not sure he can unilaterally override state level convictions for weed.

Catoblepas ,

He can absolutely determine how Border Patrol treats legally grown cannabis in legal states.

rdyoung ,

Obama tried telling the dea to back off that shit and they ignored him. The president doesn't have as much power as some of you think he does. Plus most things need congressional approval before they make it to his desk.

And from what I could read (without seeing ads or using their app), that article is about weed being imported, not what is being grown and sold in legal states.

I'm not sure you understand what exactly is going on here.

Catoblepas ,

CBP is literally part of the executive branch. He doesn’t need congressional approval to issue instructions to the executive branch, which is how he’s able to do things like instruct the DOE to consider bathroom access for trans students covered by Title IX. If you want to argue that Biden is so ineffectual that he can’t even get his own house in order, you do you.

I didn’t realize the article was paywalled but it’s incredibly easy to find other articles if you want to read about it. And no, it’s not about weed being imported. Border Patrol is seizing weed in New Mexico, a legal state, that is being transported from one part of New Mexico to another part of New Mexico for testing. It never leaves New Mexico. Maybe you should read about it before accusing me of not understanding the situation?

rdyoung ,

Even if he does have power over the border patrol, as I said with Obama the dea has jurisdiction too and they ignored him.

As for the border patrol. They don't have blanket jurisdiction. They operate within 100 miles of the border. So you most definitely aren't grasping what's going on nor the bigger picture here.

The above said, I'm done here because I'm tired of dealing with jokers like you that (hopefully) had a problem with trump and his umpteen executive orders but expect Biden to solve every problem like that. It's clear some people definitely didn't learn any of this in school and are just now paying attention and getting enough info or understanding what's what.

Have a nice day now.

Catoblepas , (edited )

RTFA. I’m sorry these thoughts make you uncomfortable or something but it’s absolutely ridiculous to say that the president has no control over Border Patrol and just… idk, pretending they haven’t seized hundreds of thousands of dollars of legal weed grown in NM that never left it? Is there a point to being like that?

Maggoty ,

The president can start firing people that's what they can do. Obama letting them ignore him wasn't a show of their power. It was a show of his unwillingness to do something more.

givesomefucks ,

Obama tried telling the dea to back off that shit and they ignored him

Well, do you think that means the president is an empty position with no power over federal agencies?

Or do you think Obama may not have tried as hard as he could?

I mean, if I ignore what my boss tells me to do, I'd get fired.

Why do you think Obama just never did anything and was ok with being ignored?

I think it's because he wasn't even trying

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