unconsciousvoidling ,

So by not voting for Biden you’ll get trump. Trump just wants to ban all Muslims… so yea… good luck with that.

Melkath ,

I am done voting for the lesser evil.

All it does is increase the overall evil.

We have been increasing the overall evil for FAR too long.

yyyesss ,

I saw comments just like this usher trump into office the first time.

r9seng ,

Then force your party to support better candidates?

DarkGamer ,

Elect better candidates in the primary? This year there is an incumbent. Let's defeat, not elect, the greater evil.

Melkath ,

And the incumbent is massively funding genocide and is trying to make that funding a closed door black box process.

Don't support the rapist con artist fascist. Don't support the genocidal fascist.

Only support good people.

Melkath ,

Yes, by making the voter turnout abysmal.

Don't give ANY corrupt assholes the stats to allow them to claim they are what America wants.

If you have noone worth voting for, be loudly disenfranchised.

Ensign_Crab ,

Then the party needs to address this better this time around.

rigatti ,
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That's what primaries are for.

Melkath ,

The DNC is clandestine.

They hold a primary election to make you feel involved, then they throw a party and put forth whoever they feel like it.

Same model as the electoral college but with zero accountability instead of virtually no accountability.

All your vote does is inform The Party that you are buying their horseshit.

rigatti ,
@rigatti@lemmy.world avatar

Ok what is your solution? Or are you just trying to stir things up and then give up?

Melkath ,

A vote isn't a say in anything in particular.

A vote is raising your hand in the attendance check.

Stop giving corrupt people your attendance.

Register independent. Vote on laws, not people. Pray the fire smothers without your fuel (your vote) so that we can finally build anew.

Melkath ,

I don't care.

Lesser evil rhetoric is horse-shit.

Not to mention Hilary wouldn't have been any better. If she got in office we would probably still be balls deep in war with Syria. She rigged the DNC and ushered in Trump.

Don't regret not voting for her. I do regret voting for Biden's genocide though.

TokenBoomer OP ,

Vote harderer Melkath! This time will be different then the last 13 times. Promise. Trust the neoliberal plan. It hasn’t… failed……us……… yet.

Melkath ,

I'm with you.

Not sure if you are agreeing with me or misunderstanding me.

PupBiru ,
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you can be done with it as much as you like but that doesn’t change reality… FPTP is absolute shit: vote for the lesser evil or you get the greater evil… that’s just the way it is

want something different? you have to change the system first

that’s just reality. deal with it or vulnerable people die and hate wins

Melkath ,

Biden, your lesser evil, is making America bankroll the murdering of Palestinian children.

If you vote for Biden, you are making yourself accomplice in that.

Yes. Change the system. Stop voting for The Party.

PupBiru ,
@PupBiru@kbin.social avatar

cool cool cool so vote for trump and things get even worse for the palestinians

again, reality is fucked but that doesn’t change that it’s reality… work within the bounds of what’s possible rather than pissing into the wind because you don’t like the options

Melkath ,

Not voting for Trump either...

Are we in the same conversation?

I explicitly said I refuse to vote for The Party.

LordOfTheChia ,

Not touching the trolley lever is still a choice.

Melkath ,

Absofuckinglutely.

PupBiru ,
@PupBiru@kbin.social avatar

okay so you’re making a choice that as long as you’re not involved it’s okay for trump to win

Melkath ,

No.

My vote is my chunk of coal.

In a different world, I would be giving my chunk of coal to the person who has a plan to keep all of us warm through the winter, with our collective coal.

In a different world, I would not be giving my chunk of coal to a dude who would use all our coal to keep his mansion toasty.

In this world, I won't toss my chunk of coal into either dumpster fire.

I'll just keep my piece of coal. At least get an hour of warmth before I face the actual winter.

rigatti ,
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That's a beautiful metaphor but you're still not acknowledging the reality of the situation where by not voting you are making the things you don't like worse for yourself.

Melkath ,

There are 2 major fires.

I'm not throwing fuel at the base of either.

Cethin ,

Except a chunk of coal has uses. An uncast vote has absolutely zero. Your vote is either +1, 0, or - 1 to a candidate (zero being not voting or third party). Not voting makes you complicit regardless. It could prevent one person from being elected. You're always complicit. If you're paying taxes you're complicit.

As it turns out, we live in a society, and your at least partially responsible for what happens in that society no matter what you do.

Vote in your primaries and get involved with other things too, but not voting is an action that makes you complicit with either side being elected. At least voting for someone has the chance of losing and you not having been a part of it.

Melkath ,

You have yet to understand the power of a 0 throw.

I'm not doing nothing. I'm not passively doing the worst.

I'm flipping the monopoly board.

assassin_aragorn ,

Then don't complain when the trolley goes one way or another.

You can't have it both ways -- if you choose not to vote, you choose to not influence the outcome. And if you aren't trying to change the outcome, you shouldn't bitch about what the outcome is. It's like saying you're fine with going anywhere for dinner, but then you spend the whole night complaining about the restaurant I picked.

Melkath ,

Fuck you.

The fact that I didn't vote has a MUCH LARGER impact than being complicit in being forced to choose rapist conman or genocide enthusiasts.

I choose neither. Any sane person would. Any bezos or Musk slave would press a button then hope it let's them pee today.

assassin_aragorn ,

What impact did you have by not voting then? What did you accomplish, and how did it further your goals? All you did was pat yourself on the back.

To your credit though, I should rephrase -- you have no right to complain about something that could've changed if you voted. If A would get you +$500 and B gets you -$500, and you don't vote for either, then don't complain about losing $500.

Also I have no idea what the hell you're trying to say there at the end.

Melkath ,

Broseph, this is word salad.

To meet your vernacular:

We both go to an Atlantic city casino, each cash 500 bucks into chips.

We hit the first rouilette table.

You tell me "so you bet black or red, one has got to win, one has got to lose. That's the game".

I watch you play.

You bet black. Small bets but your civic duty makes you keep 5 on black.

You keep losing.

I talk you away at the table when you have 25 bucks in chips left.

I tell you it only hit 0 or 00 for 12 whole minutes.

You kept 5 on black for those 12 minutes (except the 3 you switched up to red).

There were magnets in the ball and the 0/00 slots. Powerful ones. But you insisted "black is due". For 12 minutes and 475 dollars.

Now I am left to console you and tell you to save your chips to pay for your drinks...

This is the 2 party system.

Stop voting for them.

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