Useful idiot ( lemmy.world )

Conservatives joke that progressives just blow with the wind from one controversy to the next. But I can't help but notice the anti-Biden "left" shifted hard from Genocide Joe to Bad debate Performance without skipping a beat or looking back.

Almost like the people stoking these fires don't really care about left issues at all.

SatansMaggotyCumFart ,

I think it's funny that people think you can just change nominees at this point and still have a chance at winning the contest.

retrospectology ,
@retrospectology@lemmy.world avatar

Why would that not be the case? People despise both candidates, a new candidate free of all Biden's bullshit would be nothing but good.

At this point I'm convinced people who reject the idea of Biden stepping down want a Democratic loss in November. There's no one actually this committed to Joe Biden.

SatansMaggotyCumFart ,

Biden, the current president, is actually doing a pretty good job.

Who would you suggest take over?

Not_mikey ,

He's doing an alright job, but it doesn't matter what I think, or what you think, it matters what the country as a whole thinks and his approval ratings are lower then Trump's were at the depths of covid

As for who would replace him, looks like Michelle Obama's got the best chance but even with the others it seems, besides Kamala, they suffer more from lack of name recognition since they put more voters in the don't know. If Biden would open the question up and allow them to "campaign" up into the convention maybe we could get a clearer sense of what people want. Maybe it is Biden but with the lack of a real primary this season and his decline in the polls we don't know.

TokenBoomer ,

Gretchen Whitmer

j4k3 ,
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I consider anyone pushing anyone over Biden as part of the Trump campaign. This is a two party system. Creating indecisiveness like this is a very viable and practical subversion tactic and with Trump's Kremlin backers as the Russian candidate as Putin's puppet, anyone that fails to recognise this ploy is being foolish and falling for their nonsense. The Platonic sophism tactic is hard for the simple minded to see through. Unplug from the news cycle and think for yourself outside of the sophist spin doctor nonsense. Ask your own questions and seek out those answers without distraction and exercise skepticism about all sources. If your general media leads your thoughts, you have no real thoughts of your own.

Not_mikey ,

Nancy fucking pelosi is questioning his candidacy, is she a paid Russian troll? This is high stakes situation that we need to discuss and calling anyone who disagrees with you a Russian troll or crypto trump supporter is counter-productive and serves only to divide two groups who both want to stop fascism. To do that both sides need to recognize the validity of each other's arguments and move from there not dismiss them as foolish.

TempermentalAnomaly ,

A list crypto-Trumpists:

  • The New York Times: "If the race comes down to a choice between Mr. Trump and Mr. Biden, the sitting president would be this board’s unequivocal pick. That is how much of a danger Mr. Trump poses. But given that very danger, the stakes for the country and the uneven abilities of Mr. Biden, the United States needs a stronger opponent to the presumptive Republican nominee. To make a call for a new Democratic nominee this late in a campaign is a decision not taken lightly, but it reflects the scale and seriousness of Mr. Trump’s challenge to the values and institutions of this country and the inadequacy of Mr. Biden to confront him."
  • David Remnick of The New Yorker: "For him to remain the Democratic candidate, the central actor in that referendum, would be an act not only of self-delusion but of national endangerment. It is entirely possible that the debate will not much change the polls; it is entirely possible that Biden could have a much stronger debate in September; it is not impossible to imagine that Trump will find a way to lose. But, at this point, should Biden engage the country in that level of jeopardy? To step aside and unleash the admittedly complicated process of locating and nominating a more robust and promising ticket seems the more rational course and would be an act of patriotism. To refuse to do so, to go on contending that his good days are more plentiful than the bad, to ignore the inevitability of time and aging, doesn’t merely risk his legacy—it risks the election and, most important, puts in peril the very issues and principles that Biden has framed as central to his Presidency and essential to the future."
  • The Economist: "There are a lot of arguments for resisting such a drastic step, but the main one is that the election is barely four months away. That may be enough time for Mr Biden to recover in the polls. But with the Democratic convention in August, it would be too brief for the party to find another candidate who could campaign and win. Replacing him could divide Democrats at a time when they need to stay united. Those assertions may have been convincing once. Not any more."
  • Chicago Tribune
  • The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

You're underplaying the severity of his failure. All of these publications understand what you're saying. Every single one of them know that creating uncertainty now is risky, but in their calculations, it's worth it. I, ultimately, think they are wrong, but calling them part of the Trump campaign just has to be something only someone trying to win internet points would say.

I'll end by quoting Steve Bannon Pod Save America co-host Jon Favreau, "Anyone who says this is easy or that we shouldn't have this debate is not being honest."

homesweethomeMrL ,

russian troll farms be out here like

“no we’re innocent socialists!”
“democrats aren’t progressive enough and therefore must be defeated”
“you can’t accuse me of parroting russian disinformation talking points just because I’m using the same words and arguments”

audiomodder ,

I love how anyone who disagrees with you is a Russian troll. You go around insulting people and then try to claim the high ground. Grow up.

PhlubbaDubba ,

Not everyone, just the people who are spreading lines known to originate from Russian trolls.

VictoriaAScharleau ,

can you give a source for these lines?

JimSamtanko ,

I love how you try to victimize yourself by twisting what others say to turn it into an all-encompassing blanket statement that you can then use as an excuse to permit yourself to use blanket statements in your own accusations.

Without ever even acknowledging the hypocrisy.

YeetPics ,

anyone

You're the only one dealing in absolutes here.

Another lovely strawman.

Passerby6497 ,

Someone feeling seen?

They're only talking about things Russian troll farms do, not pointing at anyone in particular. Feels like this might be a self report

JimSamtanko ,

Almost like the people stoking these fires don't really care about left issues at all.

It’s pretty easy to prove that many of them don’t.

PhlubbaDubba ,

Accelerationism is a position that is literally only possible to hold from a position of privilege.

I'm sure crashing through the decline into fascism looks like a great idea when you know you're high enough on the kill list to avoid the actual consequences of fascism happening.

The white left never saw us as allies, only as fodder.

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