"... there are reasonable grounds to believe that Israel is committing the international ‘crime of all crimes’: that of genocide."
"... while our government has called for a ceasefire, they refuse to name Israel’s crimes or take the material action many have called for under international law, including implementing sanctions and throwing our weight behind a global arms embargo. As Palestinian human rights lawyer Rabea Eghbariah asked in a 2023 essay commissioned but then censured by Harvard Law Review, “does one have to wait for a genocide to be successfully completed to name it?” "
@TruthSandwich is a well-known troll. Anybody reading this would be wise to block that domain.
At the end of that article is this line about the author:
"Sarah Schwartz is a lawyer, lecturer and executive officer of the Jewish Council of Australia."
Jewish communities increasingly recognise that the Zionist state endangers them. The world in general, and Jews in particular, will be safer when Israel no longer exists.
A reading of their founding documents reveals little difference between Hamas and Likud. I support neither.
Just make a list of all the positive things about Israel.
If it's good perhaps someone is willing to consider it useful.
Must be quite good though, in contrast to the genocide.
Where is your list about positive things of Israel?
I'm against any kind of oppression, but you seem to protect those of Israel, and want to drag me into a discussion that is pretty pointless amid the atrocities Israel is comitting -- no matter if Hamas is involved or targeted.
Israel just counts bodies as trophies, there is not much distinction between Hamas and other people, contrary children, journalists, doctors, healthworkers are targeted.
Can't you read, what I just wrote? There you find the answer.
IF Israel had taken care to target only Hamas, much less people would complain about Israel.
The issue is that Israel targets everyons, randomly or arbitrary -- especially those who support just common Palestinians and humanitarian aid to people who suffer from Famine and the other atrocities of Israel.
This is nonsense. Hamas doesn't live in its own neighborhood that can be targeted exclusively. Quite the contrary: it uses Gazans as human shields.
Despite this, the rate of collateral damage has been very low, even though Gaza is a dense, urban environment. It's lower than our own in the Iraq war, for example.
Come on, you know me and that I know your bad propaganda.
Come foward with something better than that bullshit you wrote, that's utter nonsense what you just posted.
You wrote
> Despite this, the rate of collateral damage has been very low, even though Gaza is a dense, urban environment.
Thats absolutely bullshit. IF that would have been the case much less houses had been destroyed, but instead Gaza had been almost carpet bombed and 2000 KG bombs used in dense populated areas.
Even before Oct. 7 Ganas have been systematically limited to use water, even collecting rain water was forbidden.
We can go with your feels and vibes, or we can stick with the numbers. I prefer the latter.
And, speaking of numbers, we need real ones. Hamas has been caught lying over and over again, and flatly refuses to distinguish between noncombatant and combatant mortality, because doing so would undermine their propaganda.
But even with their fake numbers, the casualty rate is lower than it was in Iraq.
Israels government had so many statements that openly confessed the clear intention of genocide, just without using that distinct word. Actually it's funny and sad that you wanna start that discussion where all these statements are already well known, even in western media.
Beside that I'd advice to read the definition of genocide again. Theoretically there can happen a genocide without a single dead person.
Your assumption that "And yet -- as the numbers show -- there's no genocide" is utterly wrong.
Abducting kids, deporting a whole population (like Gaza was actually built) are part of the definition of genocide too, both never require any dead persons.
But of course that wouldn't be enough for Israel, they use the whole arsenal that falls under this definition, including torture, murder and human shields.
I tell you what, keep on believing the Israel propaganda and argue in their purpose, then you're more antisemite than anyone else, because the reaction of the genocide is antisemitism among people who never can separate between Israel's actions and Jews -- and the moral behavior of Israeli's seems never being able to get worse, they reached the very bottom.
Yes, my patience with antisemites is indeed finite. You dodged every point I made, and personally attacked me from the very start, although you didn't even know how to spell the insult.
So, sure, it's all my fault when I respond in kind. Pretty much the same logic as accusing Israel of genocide when it retaliates against attempted genocide.
I know you already long time, so "attacking you from the very beginning" isn't correct, furthermore you've proven your own disinformation very clear, I didn't have to do anything to discredit you.
That's exactly the reason why Israel was built as apartheid state like it is, and the settler movement has especially the target to make a 2 state solution impossible --- since long time already.
Question is if this move will be judged as wise in the end. If Israelis or Israel as state get attacked, it's not me who is doing it, I admit though my tears will be limited amid the atrocities Israel is committing and the ignorance it shows towards critics.
OOhh boy.
I'm getting tired of this crap.
The whole process of building a state was curbed from the very beginning, and sure Palestinians had a reason to decline agreements.
Beside that, even the fact that the agreements have been declined, that wouldn't have been a reason to slaughter Palestinians in huge amounts from the very beginning in 1947/8.
The fuckers didn't "decline", the committed massacres against civilians. You know, the same way Hamas terrorists do today.
They've rejected every diplomatic effort to achieve a two-state solution because, just like Likud, they're holding out for a single state to the exclusion of everyone else.
Well, tell the history books about it, because it seems being written wrong then.
The Israelis committed atrocities from the very beginning, and the Jewish terrorists of that time are well known.
Anyway, the only thing I wish for Israel and Palestine is peace. Currently I see that Israel has maximum level of aggression, but no possibility how any peace could be reached.
well, as you named the "right wing government" of Israel by yourself, you know the statements of Israel are exactly the same like from Hamas concerning this point.
Israel in contrast has the power to realize this target, Palestinians are clearly inferior and oppressed, which in return makes the dream to become free of Israel quite reasonable.
The rest of "democracy" in Israel might be the last hope that the government could solve the issue by itself perhaps. Due to apartheid Palestinians think certainly not seriously that they have any say in the democracy.
Concerning genocide just refer to to ICJ, I've no need to argue about things that are already confirmed from the Hague.
"Apartheid", like "genocide", is used by antisemites as a slur against Israel. It is disgusting. YOU are disgusting and despicable for engaging in this antisemitism.
So how you'd call a state where citizens are seeparated by walls and fences, and where peolpe have to take different roads, where people are judged by 2 different laws?
I'd say your view is certainly not helping to accept the facts or even to make peace possible.
You're in denial of the atrocities Israel is committing disproportional as well as of the simple fact that Israel is an apartheid state.
I tell you what:
Hang them, shoot them, bomb them all -- if they belong to Hamas.
That doesn't justify targeted killing of journalists, children, healthcare workers, members of UN institutions or civilians.
BTW:
"Arab Knesset members have served in office since the First Knesset. The first Arab Knesset members were Amin-Salim Jarjora and Seif el-Din el-Zoubi who were members of the Democratic List of Nazareth party and Tawfik Toubi, member of the Maki party."
David
Might I interject here?
I have some simple observations on the self badged ‘Truth Sandwich’ troll.
By using an obviously false assertion of corrected ness in its name ie ‘truth’ in it that shows that it aligns itself to tRUMP’s so called ‘truth social’ (a carbon copy car creep)
All the returns from it are simply twists & lies! Like tRUMP’s.
Best to block a blood sucker account like this & move on!
Actually I don't care for whom you vote in the USA, or what your politics are there.
Biden made good national politics too and is a fascist nevertheless, concerning Israel.
Which gets to the real point: this isn't a war between Israel and Hamas. It's a war between Iran (and its proxies) and the entire West.
Part of the goal is to create a pretext by which to attack Biden as #GenocideJoe, a fact-free slur that justifies helping Trump by sitting out the election.
That's the elephant in the room. Let's just say it's ironic that 10/7 is Putin's birthday.
Last I checked, @DropBear supported Hamas' goal of the destruction of Israel. They admit that this entails genocide, so I asked him if he supports that part as well, or whether he imagines some alternative.
@TruthSandwich@DavidBruchmann@israel@palestine@DropBear if the emphasis is on counting the dead, then a few pie charts would be most informative. Of those dead, how many, and what percentages, do Hamas acknowledge as their fighters?