Australian Senator quits Labor after voting for Palestinian state
Senator Fatima Payman has resigned from the Australian Labor Party days after she split from other Labor representatives to vote in support of recognising a Palestinian state.
“My family did not flee from a war-torn country to come here as refugees for me to remain silent when I see atrocities inflicted on innocent people,” she told reporters on Thursday.
#Albo needs to take a step back & look at the total #clusterfuck his Prime Ministership has become.
2023 Labor National Conference: Labor’s position is that Israel and Palestine should exist “as two states within their own secure and recognised borders”.
"what territorial boundaries" @RaymondPierreL3
I wondered about that. It turns out to be irrelevant. A "state" is an organised political community. Territory is usual, but not necessary under all definitions.
There are indeed non-Zionist Israelis @RaymondPierreL3
There are even anti-Zionist Israelis. But the State of Israel is Zionist. The society of Israel is Zionist.
The Zionist invasion of Palestine began in the 19th century. Some of the documentation from the 1919 Paris conference is quite revealing. It seems they were pretty obnoxious from the beginning.
@RaymondPierreL3
There is no universally-agreed definition of "state" in this context. One of the few points on which all seem to agree is recognition.
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A state is a state because it's recognised as such by other states. Recursive, but there you have it. #AusPol #Payman #FatimaPayman #Palestine #Israel @Alpha1Nine
@RaymondPierreL3 "Palestine was created by the British"
The concept of Palestine has existed for more than a millennium. If it was "created", then that could be said to have been done by the Emperor Constantine in the fourth century CE (though he was building on history).
"...carved out by the jewish tribes through conquests as the Egyptian 'let them go'..."
There's no evidence of substantial numbers of Hebrew slaves in Egypt. Ever. No Passover. No Exodus (at least, not on the scale of the mythology). Probably no Moses.
@smitjo
"my recollection is that Israel has never accepted the proposed borders"
One of the conditions imposed by the UN was that Israel would declare it borders. That has never happened. (They probably intend to take total control from the river to the sea, then move on to "Greater Israel".) If we're going to obsess over borders, then Israel doesn't formally exist. @Alpha1Nine #AusPol #Payman #FatimaPayman #Palestine #Israel
@RaymondPierreL3
It seemed to me that we were discussing from different perspectives. Some of us were learning. Others, evidently not.
For the record, I don't believe that there's a viable a two-state solution. It's pretty clear that the Zionists are intent on being the master race in the region. While Israel exists, the chances of peace are slim to none. @smitjo@Alpha1Nine #AusPol #Payman #FatimaPayman #Palestine #Israel #discussion
@smitjo
The founding documents of Likud and Hamas both claim exclusive rights from the river to the sea (both parties have since moderated their language, but the intent is clear). Zionism also has a worrying history of aspiring to "Greater Israel". By some accounts, that stretches from the Euphrates to the Nile. @RaymondPierreL3 @Alpha1Nine #AusPol #Payman #FatimaPayman #Palestine #Israel #discussion #GreaterIsrael
"... there are reasonable grounds to believe that Israel is committing the international ‘crime of all crimes’: that of genocide."
"... while our government has called for a ceasefire, they refuse to name Israel’s crimes or take the material action many have called for under international law, including implementing sanctions and throwing our weight behind a global arms embargo. As Palestinian human rights lawyer Rabea Eghbariah asked in a 2023 essay commissioned but then censured by Harvard Law Review, “does one have to wait for a genocide to be successfully completed to name it?” "
@TruthSandwich is a well-known troll. Anybody reading this would be wise to block that domain.
At the end of that article is this line about the author:
"Sarah Schwartz is a lawyer, lecturer and executive officer of the Jewish Council of Australia."
Jewish communities increasingly recognise that the Zionist state endangers them. The world in general, and Jews in particular, will be safer when Israel no longer exists.
A reading of their founding documents reveals little difference between Hamas and Likud. I support neither.