Biden's Gaza plan 'not a good deal' but Israel accepts it, Netanyahu aide says ( www.reuters.com )

Netanyahu is under pressure to keep his coalition government intact. Two far-right partners have threatened to bolt in protest at any deal they deem to spare Hamas. A centrist partner, ex-general Benny Gantz, wants the deal considered.
Hamas has provisionally welcomed the Biden initiative.

ralphio ,

Axios seems to have some more details in this article:

https://www.axios.com/2024/06/01/israel-gaza-hostage-ceasefire-deal-confirms-biden

Basically the deal is a temporary cease fire that would then allow negotiations for a full ceasefire after that. It's a gamble, but the US seems to think that if they can get the conflict to a very low grade state, they can convince the Israeli's not to go back in. In a vacuum this isn't a terrible strategy, but there is broad public support for the war in Israel and the ruling coalition knows their days are numbered if there is no war. Even a temporary ceasefire is better than nothing though.

spyd3r ,
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A ceasefire is just kicking the can down the road until Hamas rearms and breaks it again. it's literally worse than nothing because it solves nothing and it undoes all the progress Israel has achieved in securing Gaza from the terrorist group Hamas.

The US should be calling for the unconditional surrender of Hamas and for the return of all the hostages and/or their remains, anything less is just kowtowing to Islamic terrorism.

FlyingSquid ,
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I said this in a thread in World News- what will be interesting domestically now is whether or not this gives Biden a boost in the polls. It may be too late.

Anyway, I hope this ceasefire sticks.

MagicShel ,

I think it's not too late. We have lots of time before the election. I think anyone who can make peace in the Middle East, even if it's just walking things back to a previous stalemate, has a hell of a foreign policy win.

That being said, a reset to where things were before does little for the Palestinian people as regards the original cause of this violence, and I wonder whether they will be largely forgotten or if they will continue to be important to American politics the way Ukraine has.

FlyingSquid ,
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I certainly hope you're right. I just don't know how many people abandoned Biden over the U.S. response to Israel so far will come back.

supersquirrel ,

I am a very vocal critic of Biden for supporting the Palestinian genocide.

I have railed on him in thread after thread for enabling the slaughter of Palestinians.

I am one single person but I want to vote for Biden, this genocide is just a red line for me.

I can really only speak for the left but mark my words if Biden genuinely stops this genocide (or starts taking meaningful action to stop it) the vast majority of those voters will come back because this isn’t about rejecting Biden (have y’all even been paying attention to leftists organizing around voting “uncommitted” in the primaries as a thoughtful way to mitigate splitting the party?), this is about rejecting neoliberalism’s stranglehold over the democratic party and the absolutely horrific consequences that happen when we don’t do the work to reject the intellectually suffocating and ideologically lazy environment created by neoliberalism and centrism (that inevitably plays directly into the hands of fascists as history has shown over and over again).

Barely anybody on the left who has indicated they don’t want to vote for Biden because of his appalling lack of desire to stop the genocide of the Palestinians is going to react to Biden genuinely creating a ceasefire by not changing their position and supporting Biden over Trump. Leftists understand just as well as centrists that Trump will be worse.

What centrists can’t wrap their mind around is that if we don’t fight existentially for Palestinians now than Gaza will be considered a successful prototype by rightwing fascist western parties/governments all over the world and we will see this kind of violence become the new world order. We need to stamp this shit out now, and many of us on the left feel that the only effective leverage point is setting Biden’s ego for desiring to win the presidency as an old piece of shit against his loyalty to Israel (along with most of the Republican and Democratic parties).

Is Biden directly complicit in the mass murder of tens of thousands of innocent Palestinians no matter if he stops the genocide today? Of course, and he will always deserve the jeering insult “Genocide Joe” for it as a tiny penance to pay. However like the rest of y’all I understand that all US presidents are mass murderers. George Bush directly caused 1 million Iraqi citizens to die…. for what? How fucked up is it the way Obama escalated highly illegal unilateral drone strikes completely hidden from the scrutiny of the US public?

I don’t need Biden to be a good person I agree with to vote for him, I need him to come back over what is a very very very reasonable red line.

partial_accumen ,

What centrists can’t wrap their mind around is that if we don’t fight existentially for Palestinians now than Gaza will be considered a successful prototype by rightwing fascist western parties/governments all over the world and we will see this kind of violence become the new world order.

Gaza isn't the prototype. In my mind that would be Xinjiang, and the "reeducation" of the Uighur community. The next example would be Ukraine (Crimea first, then Luhansk and Donetsk, and finally the whole country in 2022). Gaza is third at best.

supersquirrel ,

Ukraine is a war, it is modern imperialism, an army invades a country and an another army fights to repel the invasion.

Gaza is a genocide.

Apples and oranges though both are horrendous.

If you think the Palestinian Genocide in Gaza is a war you need to unplug your brain from cable news because it is decaying your capacity to understand reality, slap yourself in the face, touch some grass, topple your world view to pieces and begin over again from the standpoint that human life, all human life, is precious and that the many are never responsible for the actions of the one.

InternetUser2012 ,

Quick question for you. What do you think tRump will do if he wins? You sound like a troll. You bring up Obama with drone strikes even though what was it, eight months in on tRumps presidency he already surpassed Obaman's kills with drone strikes. Don't have to answer that, we already know what you're going to say, just answer this one, you a bot or troll?

supersquirrel ,

Nowhere did I say I like Trump, Trump is a fascist, that isn’t hyperbole or shrill lefty talk,bit is just just brand at this point.

Biden needs to stop the Palestinian genocide so that Trump doesn’t win.

I don’t feel like this makes me a troll, maybe you disagree with me. Fine. My intentions are not disingenuous however, I want the least amount of harm to come to all humans and animals however best that may be. In my opinion, that means putting all our chips on the table now and making it clear that no matter what Trump does, Biden has no path to the presidency if he directly backs an ongoing genocide with US weapons against the majority will of the US public (by a sizable margin).

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