Senate Democrats to force second vote on border bill that Republicans blocked ( www.theguardian.com )

Legislation has next to no chance of passing but Democrats hope to show Republicans are not serious about solving border issue

Senate Democrats on Thursday will force a second vote on a bipartisan border security bill that Republicans blocked earlier this year at Donald Trump’s behest.

The legislation has next to no chance of passing the chamber, but Democrats hope the attempt will strengthen their argument that Republicans are not serious about addressing the situation at the US border with Mexico, an issue that polls show is a top concern among voters – and one of Joe Biden’s biggest political liabilities.

“Our bipartisan border bill represented a real chance – in fact, the best chance in decades – to act on border security, to make a law and not just to make a political point,” Senate majority leader Chuck Schumer said on Wednesday.

givesomefucks ,

This is the equivalent to Russian roulette....

If just a single Dem like Manchin votes for it with Republicans, it'll pass.

Or if all the Dems voted for it along with the VP or a single Republican, it'll pass.

Like, the most likely outcome if a vote comes, it'll pass. And even if it doesn't, for some reason this is something Biden wants to do an executive order on.

Despite most Dem voters (and virtually all the demographics Biden is doing poorly with) don't want this.

There is literally zero positives to this.

If they want something performative to show republicans won't help. Pick something that would actually help if it does pass.

ski11erboi ,

I don't understand it either. Do Dems really think this is what their base wants? I don't personally know any Democrat who thinks this law is a good idea. Immigration is more of a hot topic for Republicans. Why do we keep trying to get republican votes when there are still plenty of Dem votes to win?

givesomefucks ,

Why do we keep trying to get republican votes when there are still plenty of Dem votes to win?

Because we're using donations to determine who gets leadership positions for a long time now.

Bundle the most donations and you get to run campaigns and the DNC.

So the people in charge are the ones that rub elbows with the rich and powerful, there's no outreach to regular voters. And for the rich and powerful, even the ones that vote D are conservative. Dont forget trump gave so much money to Dems Bill and Hillary felt obligated to attend his wedding despite saying they hated him at the time.

Just let that sink in. A former president and his spouse who was still active in politics took time out of their lives to attend trump's wedding. Those are the people Biden is trying to keep happy with this.

Campaigns aren't focused on getting votes, they're focused on getting money then leaning on "vote blue no matter who" and fear mongering to get votes.

And at that point, why do we need to raise billions of dollars?

It's just moving money around in circles for no other reason than people get to keep a little slice every time it goes by.

And the longer people "just vote blue no matter who" nothing will fundamentally change.

You can say we can't afford to stop now.

But trumps been the candidate 3 elections in a row, even when it stops being him, the next will be just as bad.

At some point shit has to change. The least painful way for that to happen is everyone doing it at once.

Wrench ,

They need a super majority to defeat the inevitable filibuster.

But you should know this, given how unbelievably outspoken you are all over Lemmy on how Biden/Dems are bad.

givesomefucks ,

Yeah, I said the other day there's a chance this works out like when McConnell had to filibuster his own bill he brought to a vote.

At the time everyone couldn't stop laughing about how big of a joke it made the Republican party...

I'm not looking forward to being told Schumer is a genius when he does it, but it would be better than Dems letting this pass because they genuinely want it to.

Because that's what their donors told them to want.

xmunk ,

Fucking good - too often do democrats fail to force a vote they know will not pass. It's extremely useful to get politicians on the record for future elections.

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