Bodycam video shows handcuffed man telling Ohio officers 'I can't breathe' before his death ( www.nbcnews.com )

In video of the April 18 encounter, Frank Tyson can be seen lying motionless on the floor of a bar for more than 5 minutes before police check him for a pulse.

The Canton Police Department in Ohio has released body camera video from the night a 53-year-old man died after he repeatedly told officers “I can’t breathe” as he was handcuffed with his hands behind his back and he was pinned to the ground. 

In video of the encounter on April 18, the man, Frank Tyson, can be seen lying motionless on the floor of a bar for more than 5 minutes before police check him for a pulse and about 8 minutes before CPR is started.

In the nearly 36-minute video, police respond to the scene of a single-car crash to find a downed power pole and an unoccupied vehicle with the driver’s side door open and an airbag deployed.

Ultragigagigantic ,
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I guess something more drastic then the George floydd protests is required.

TokenBoomer ,

Something like a schmevolution.

Zellith ,

So the police killed him. Wish titles would stop pussy footing around.

NocturnalMorning ,

I don't understand why officers always ignore people when they ask for medical help. If someone says they can't breath, that's a clue that you should do something different, not leave them on the floor handcuffed.

How is it that police are still trained to respond to situations this way? The negligence is obvious. This isn't the same as what happened with George Floyd, but nonetheless very negligent.

Khanzarate ,

It's because they don't see them as people, they see them as violent criminals that the world would be better off without.

If you step into their shoes for a minute, and one of the criminals you just successfully took off of the streets said they can't breathe, your first thought might be "good. Maybe that'll teach you a lesson about doing crimes in my neighborhood." Your second might be "I wish I could shoot you right now and get this over with, but maybe I'll get lucky and I can say I didn't hear you."

Note that the second one is inherently a stupid thought, there's body cams. That kind of logic didn't stop my 5-year-old from telling me she cleaned her room when I could easily check and find out she didn't, and it won't stop cops from fantasizing about everything working out here.

That's exactly why they do things that way. They're living out a fantasy world where there are no real rules and there are no consequences, and they have to live a balancing act between indulging in that and dealing with reality. Sometimes cops fail to balance that, and that's what we see here.

As for who trains them, it's their fellow cops. This isn't a bunch of individual fantasies, these men work and train and talk together about how it'd be so much better if they had less restrictions and just talk about that hypothetical world. New cops who have any kind of racism or similar "My group is best" can join the conversation and add in their own unique version to the group fantasy. New cops who aren't already racist, though, won't hear blatant racism. No, they will just hear about crime stats and reoffending rates, about cops that died trying to deal with all the supposed crime, and about how stopping them is justice and will help everyone, not just cops. In time they'll share the group fantasy, too, and stop seeing their victims as people. Occasionally someone just doesn't join in the fantasy and they get bullied until they quit.

This is why the easiest way to move forward from this kind of thing is to gut the police departments and start over, or we at least need bodycams that can't be turned off so easily.

NocturnalMorning ,

Maybe, but it didn't used to be this way even as recently as the 80s. And it isn't like this in most other countries (at least the European ones km aware of).

It's a cultural thing, and training, and it can be fixed, we just have to want to fix it bad enough. No idea what will be the tipping point. George Floyd wasn't enough, so I'm not sure what if anything will be. Or if we'll just go deeper I to this police state mentality where everything is an us vs them situation.

Fredselfish ,
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What talking about cops Always been this way. Especially in the 80's and 90's when we didn't have recordings devices. Remember Rodney King?

ickplant ,
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Are you too young to remember the Rodney King protests? They literally had to call in the Marines and the Army to quell them. That was in 1991, and a result of police brutality against an unarmed Black man.

Edit: Wanted to add that police in general came from slave patrols. It was a racist institution designed to instill terror into people of color from the very beginning. It was never about "serving and protecting."

Dark_Arc ,
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wh2spkbaARA

Just ... jump to some random parts of that video. Or this...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3WPNj3IuOOE

Or even this...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=863aE25HQ5M

It's because plenty of people in the general public lie, take advantage, abuse any angle they can.

I don't agree with officers delaying CPR and pulse checks, they absolutely should be looking for genuine signs of distress or injury... But, I get why their faith in humanity is trashed to the point they don't actually expect to find anything.

FenrirIII ,
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Police are cowards and bullies. They treat everyone as a suspect rather than a human.

Dark_Arc ,
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They really don't. My cousin married a cop, my brother is a volunteer fire fighter that regularly has to interact with them, a good friend of mine is an ex-cop turned IT guy, the guy who lives across the street from me is a cop, I've also had interactions with random officers at coffee shops here in Akron and at a few events.

My hot take is most of them would rather live and let live unless you're doing something monumentally stupid or they get a call.

And yeah, I've also met some douchebags on power trips, but "ACAB" is a failed and ridiculously confrontational movement. You're never going to get anywhere near the reforms we need to see in policing with the ACAB or "fuck the police" mentality.

NocturnalMorning ,

We've had very different experiences with police officers. It's my personal interactions with police over the years that's given me a very low opinion of them. Then I saw someone get fired from a job a few years ago, and he decided instead to go into policing (he's a former marine), which is when I realized police aren't some magical cabal of highly trained individuals. Most people go into policing in the U.S. these days bcz they can't do anything else.

That's a sorry state of policing in my opinion, and much of our issues with police culture stem from that.

Unfortunately, there's scientifci data and statistics to back up what I'm saying, and there's very little data to back up your viewpoint.

Dark_Arc ,
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I hate lynch mobs. ACAB and "fuck the police" are lynch mobs based on broad generalizations.

There is scientific data and statistics to show that black people and others are disproportionately targeted by the police. It's immediately obvious the police unions protects their own including some folks they likely shouldn't.

These are problems we should strive to understand and fix.

There is not scientific data showing that all cops (or even more than a minority of cops) are bullies out to treat everyone as a suspect or fetishize their next opportunity to beat the crap out of someone. That is an opinion and one that immediately shuts down any hope of a reasonable discussion about how two parties might move forward. Show me one scientific study where someone went "you're a bastard and you can go fuck yourself" and then got a constructive response... It doesn't exist, because people do not like being put into groups and told what their own individual opinions must be.

juicy ,

ACAB is an earned generalization from day-to-day experience, actual statistics, and media coverage. We're long past "make nice." Police need to go. So fuck their feelings.

juicy ,

Sure, they're nice until they're on the job, having a bad day, decide you're a "bad guy" due to whatever biases or circumstances they find you in, get angry or frightened and snap and kill you as we've seen over and over and over again.

shadowSprite ,

I used to be an EMT (am going to be working as one again soon) and where I worked we had some good cops and some real shitty cops who had no business being cops, but one thing that they all had in common was that the rules were if someone asked for medical help, they had to call the ambulance. Didn't matter if it looked like obvious bullshit, all the departments in the area I worked had a blanket policy that they weren't medical professionals and they couldn't make that decision. You could have a tiny little cut on your finger and ask for medical help and even the shittiest cops would sigh and call for EMS. These cops infuriate me. How many more people have to get murdered? If someone asks for help fucking help them and sort out the details later.

the_post_of_tom_joad ,

I don't think it's negligence.

This reminds me of how California recently brought back police officers for "school security".

Did they remove the officers? No, the officers left in a hissy fit because the govt had the temerity to outlaw the use of this killer position on the kids (I believe enacted in the wake of George Floyd).

Why leave for something like that? It makes sense. These are kids, right? It's a position that kills, right? That's what this article is showing us, again.

You might assume the police relented because they like the govt money, right? I did too, but it was the govt who backed of, removing the law restricting the killer positions use.

To me, the police depts collective action in California show that it is not negligence. In this case, it just doesn't make... sense. The position is dangerous. The job is ostensibly protecting children, in a state sponsored school! It makes no sense that cops would care about one position so much...

Seriously, I've been turning it over and over in my mind, it must be they care more about the precedent being set (and thus the possible loss of this power) than the safety of kids. And that's the best motive i can think of.

I don't want people like that anywhere near kids or with the power to influence govt so much. This latest murder shows they care nothing for the people they "protect and serve" only for the power they're allowed to wield.

habitualcynic ,

Because cruelty is the point.

BeardedBlaze ,
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ACAB

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