Daft_ish ,

"People spend money on basic needs"

intensely_human ,

The entire concept of a scientific study to determine whether people spend this money wisely is bunk, because it’s nobody else’s business how a person’s money gets spent and whether it’s categorized as “wise”.

If we assume that there is an objective, ie scientifically valid, definition of “wise spending”, then we should just go centrally planned communism because the whole point of free markets is allowing people to enact their own value structure in their spending.

The whole idea of basic income, as opposed to all these other services, is based on the same idea: that people’s money is their own.

This study seems nice, but it frames this whole question the wrong way. The whole concept of money is that people have a right to make their own economic choices, regardless of what some centralized authority thinks is “wise”.

Signtist ,
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I remember when the first wave of stimulus checks went out and a bunch of car dealerships suddenly raised the price on their cars by $1000. UBI would be great, but if we don't reign in the corporate-apologist economy first, every product will suddenly be more expensive so they can bleed people of that extra money.

zik ,

There have been UBI trials before and they found that it didn't lead to price increases to any great degree.

DevopsPalmer ,

Yes but not widespread UBI, I think it would be slightly different like the reference to the stimulus checks where nearly everyone obtained it and it was widely circulated information.

Signtist ,
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Exactly. If a small group of people are given UBI, then they just have more money, and stores want to profit from everyone, including the people who aren't getting more money. But if everyone gets UBI, then the stores are sure that their customers can afford higher prices, and our current government has shown that it doesn't care if prices are arbitrarily inflated. I'd love UBI, but it can't function alone without accompanying laws to prevent price hiking.

SlopppyEngineer ,

And the discussion about immigrants receiving UBI is going to be very problematic.

mycathas9lives ,
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@SlopppyEngineer @Signtist

UBI will undoubtedly be tied to citizenship

Ilovethebomb ,

That is not how a competitive market works, at all. If there is enough competition, someone will always undercut the scalpers.

Signtist ,
@Signtist@lemm.ee avatar

You're right, it's not... Too bad most places have realized they can just raise prices together and share in the extra profits, rather than compete with one another. There's a reason why price fixing is illegal, and there's a reason why the government rarely enforces it.

Ilovethebomb ,

Sure buddy, if you say so.

Green13 ,

Remember, if these trials can cause change then EVERYONE gets a little extra. And it's cheaper than our current welfare system. AND it actually helps people instead of putting them in a place where getting help ends their desperately needed support. It's a win for everyone except the "I struggled and so should you" crowd which means its an absolute victory for everyone that matters!

JamesTBagg ,

What makes it worse, those people almost never actually struggled. Otherwise they may have learned to suffer some empathy.

EmpathicVagrant ,

I’ve watched someone start to empathize and then talk themselves out of it so many times I’ve lost faith in someone’s ability to learn it.

garretble ,
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Weird how every one of these tests shows most people use the money to better themselves instead of wasting it all like right wing media would say.

Super weird.

girlfreddy ,
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Common sense dictates that's exactly what would happen. The super rich and right wingnuts lack that particular attribute tho.

snekerpimp ,

It’s projection. “I’d blow it all on coke and hookers, so obviously everyone else will too!”

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