Just Watched Cloud Atlas (first time) ( en.wikipedia.org )

I never got around to watching it when it came out, and I think I'd completely missed the critical reception and box-office failure it received. Which saddened me to read after the watch, I have to say, as I was really happy to have watched it.

For those who don't know the film, I personally liked Roger Ebert's review (with whom I generally vibed). It was polarising, and genuinely confusing if you want to "understand" a film, while also potentially being vacuous and overwrought. I'm not going to say it was a good film or recommend it to people. If it's for you, you'll know. All I'll say is that it was, for me, a very good kind of film and generally well executed. Some ambitious film ideas and high level or broad concepts put to screen pretty full-throttle.

I haven't seen a film in this general category of viewing experience for a while (probably entirely on me). Last probably would have been 3000 Years of Longing and maybe Twin Peaks S3 (I count that as an 18 hr film), and then Aronofsky's The Fountain (to which Cloud Atlas is probably the closest sibling I can think of).

Without getting nostalgic about films or critical of the current era (I'm not on top of film enough to do that) ... I was certainly reminded that I need to revise my film/TV diet. It re-affirmed for me a sense that films are more powerful than TV and that this era of TV has been productionised in a way that seems to suck the art of it.

As for what the film was actually about, I think it's much like 2001 A Space Odyssey, it's both obvious and confused/inexplicable. I'm sure there's a whole technical breakdown one could read or endeavour to create oneself, but I'm happy to have watched it once and perhaps revisit it again later to try to pick up on all of the connections I'm guessing they wove through the film, in large part because I think that's in line with the spirit of the film which I'm happy to embrace.

Beyond all of that, but kinda connected I think, was to reminisce about the Wachowskis' career, where whatever their flaws, I think I prefer them making things to not ... there's a certain essence of good-hearted and ambitious geek-dom to their stuff that I'm just happy to watch (including Jupiter Ascending and Matrix 4).

polographer ,

IMO the last movie from the wachowski worth watching

maegul OP Mod ,
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And it's poor performance and reception was probably the end of their film careers too.

Jupiter Ascending was such a weird problem ... like I feel like there's a good film in there but it was cursed in some "last attempt to stay in hollywood" urge or something.

spudsrus ,

It's my favourite movie but people either seem to love or hate it.

Started reading the book afterwards but didn't make it through the second half of the post apocalypse future story.

Usually recommend it to people since very few have seen it

maegul OP Mod ,
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people either seem to love or hate it.

This should be normalised more IMO. Even sought after. Usually it's a sign that there's something special in it if you're one of the people that are going to like it ... and that should be treasured.

I said it in another reply ... subjective art is awesome!

Curious how you feel about The Fountain ... as that was the most similar film I could think of.

spudsrus ,

2006 release?

Haven't seen it but I'll check it out and get back to you!

maegul OP Mod ,
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Yea: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fountain

Speaking of which, I'm just cooking up an idea of running a sort of watch club here, where something like this could be an ideal candidate, at least for a sort of "out there, somewhat experimental sci-fi cinema watch club".

Do you have any thoughts on whether that'd be something you or others would be interested in?

Zoomboingding ,
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Absolutely adore this film, and I'm glad it's still being recognized today. My favorite scene in all of cinema is when the old folks finally figure out how to start the car and speed through the retirement home gates.

Lag ,

There's also Mr. Nobody which I think is very similar to Cloud Atlas.

maegul OP Mod ,
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I don’t know the film. Do you recommend it?

Lag ,

I really liked it especially after starting it without knowing anything about it. The cinematography is amazing too.

maegul OP Mod ,
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I really liked it especially after starting it without knowing anything about it.

Basically how I went into it, it being over 10 years since it came out. Going into films this way is a fantastic thing IMO and more people should really seek out that type of experience. Expectations and spoilers from trailers work to get buts in seats but not enhance the cinematic experience at all.

The cinematography is amazing too.

Yep! It looked fantasic!

systemglitch ,

As always the book is way better.

skeezix ,

I enjoy the 5 minute cloud atlas trailer better than the movie. The 5-minute trailer is the greatest trailer ever made, offering the promise of a most incredible movie (even if the movie didnt live up to the trailer’s promise). With M83’s music and all the best scenes, after watching it you don’t need to watch the movie.

Show that trailer to someone who’s never heard of cloud atlas and they’ll cream their pants in anticipation.

maegul OP Mod ,
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Haven’t seen the trailer, but I think I can imagine this.

Blaze ,
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Only read the book, interesting read

metallic_substance ,

I loved the book, but avoided the movie because I heard mixed reviews and didn't want it to sully my opinion of the original material. I think I might give it a shot finally

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Interesting! Hope it goes well ... TBF though the book-to-film path is always at least a little cursed.

Rather curious to hear your thoughts if you do watch it!

then_three_more ,

If you think the film is hard, try the book. It's a beautiful impenetrable postmodern monstrosity.

maegul OP Mod ,
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lol ... I can see that!

I'm personally not too keen on the book because I'm not sure I need that story in literary form. The core idea seemed more natural in a cinematic/visual form.

then_three_more ,

The evolution of languages what really makes it it's own animal. Each time period has it's own style, slang and even grammar.

The core idea seemed more natural in a cinematic/visual form.

I think in many ways that's just the sign of a good adaptation.

systemglitch ,

I don't know, after reading the book the movie is a bit hard to watch. There is a lot missing from the movie, small nuance that goes a long way to making for a much deeper experience.

chicken ,

It seemed mostly straightforward to me but maybe I didn't get it? It's a bunch of stories through time following the decay and collapse of human civilization that mostly have a "slavery and dehumanization is bad but there's hope because the human spirit" sort of theme, with the narratives connected mostly by the characters reading and being inspired by the records of the previous character's story. They all end partway on a misleading cliffhanger, and then in the second part of the book it works through them backwards to give the endings. Also maybe they are reincarnations of each other but it's ambiguous and doesn't affect the plot afaik.

systemglitch ,

Yeah I thought the book was easier to follow than the movie

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I confess, I had no idea what the film was about when I saw it in the theatre, but something about it compelled me to watch it again. And my controversial take is that the film's story is really quite clear. Even though, again, I no idea what it was about when I first saw it.

It's about the effects of art. The stories are in no way disconnected, but all connected by a story, a work, a piece of music, etc. And each one carries forward, often in ways the author(s), inpirations, etc. had no way of understanding.

I'm a writer of very little renown, but I use the film to keep going. Because even if you're not an artist, your life will have an effect in way you can't know. And I love that idea.

Also, it was a crime that this film did not get any nominations for editing. It is, purely from a technical point of view, a masterclass. The beats of six separate stories cut together according to their lows and highs, and cutting away when you really want to know what's happening. If you don't like the film, that's entirely reasonable. But how it was put together is something to behold.

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Excellent points!!

I hadn't actually framed it as art being the connection across time ... but it's definitely there! Though I think it's more than heart but sort of "soulful or heartful work" ... thinking of Somni's sermon here ... which is really just a broader category that includes art IMO.

And yea, with the editing, I agree. Nolan's films are often put up there as editing show cases (The Prestige especially IMO) and I was surprised to get a Nolan vibe from Cloud Atlas's approach to editing and to have never heard of it in that regard!

kratoz29 ,

I remember I watched it, I understood it and more importantly, I enjoyed it, but now my mind is blank about it... Maybe a rewatch is in order.

Samsy ,

Never watched, but now it has my attention. Thx.

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No worries!

downpunxx ,
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I love Cloud Atlas, it's fucking EPIC, and gets a yearly rewatch

NovaPrime ,
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It's a wonderful production. There are tons of little details and ways the characters and actors and souls connect through time that make it enjoyable on rewatch as well. And that score... spectacular. If you liked the movie and like reading, you may enjoy the author's follow up book The Bone Clocks too. It's less high-minded than Cloud Atlas, but carries a lot of the similar writing tone, style, and charm

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Thanks for the rec!

Apytele ,

One of my favorites too. I've never understood people who say it's hard to follow.

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My feeling was that you need to pay a minimum amount of attention to get a feel for the film, probably more than most films. But that's pretty easy to recognise early on and the film kinda weans you into realising this.

But beyond that minimum amount, it's up to you how much attention you want to pay, where you can opt more for the vibe of the interconnected stories, or try to be super detailed. Unfortunately, I think there's a genuinely toxic reaction from some viewers that hates a film that demands some amount of "work" from the viewer, as though the film has done something wrong. Which is toxic for a few reasons, but one sad one I think is that it destroys the idea of watching a film more than once in order to understand it better and just going along for the ride the first time.

KevonLooney ,

I think you are giving yourself too much credit. It's not that the film "requires work", lots of films do. The problem is, there's no payoff for the work involved.

The Lord of the Rings films are 12 hours long with a ton of characters. You can easily miss the fact that Aragorn is some ancient foretold king, so the ghost army doesn't make any sense. Also, it wouldn't make sense why Denethor is angry at Gandalf coming to help him.

The films are enjoyable if you don't pay much attention, because they have a lot of action and cool lines. But they also have an intricate story that improves when you pay attention and watch again.

Cloud Atlas tries to be intricate but the story is just not good. "We are being reincarnated" isn't an original idea. And the execution is tedious.

maegul OP Mod ,
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I think you are giving yourself too much credit.

Honestly not sure what you mean by that ... what credit am I giving myself?

Cloud Atlas tries to be intricate but the story is just not good. “We are being reincarnated” isn’t an original idea.

Well, I think that depends on what you want. I for one was very happy to watch an attempt at putting reincarnation to film. The core idea of reincarnation doesn't need to be original, and I don't think the film itself has any sense of that, in the same way that LotR (books or films) doesn't try to claim that geography and history are its own original "ideas".

As for whether the story is "good" ... well, the core of the story is kindness, self-discovery and finding a way to live with or "fight" the evils of the world, along with some meditation on "what is the significance of one's life". Like I said, I'm not keen on describing this as either "good" or "bad", but I'm certainly happy to watch it and I'm sure plenty of other people are too.

Otherwise, comparing LotR to Cloud Atlas seems strange to me. The former is essentially lore based while Cloud Atlas is intended to be self contained. There are things in the LotR book/movie that just do not make as much sense without then reading the Silmarillion and/or the appendices, and all of the internet dissemination of this lore for those who haven't read more deeply is quite extensive ... it's basically top-tier fantasy world building gone mainstream ... having details discoverable beyond the film, and which have been "discovered" by many, including it seems yourself, is by design, before the films.

But you don't have to watch Cloud Atlas more than once, it works just fine on a single viewing IMO, and is clearly not intended to be a world-building exercise, in large part IMO because it is very much about our world, here and now.

But if you don't like it or find it tedious ... that's all good, I get it. I just think there's something misplaced in trying to approach a critique from a relatively objective standpoint of "done well" or not. It's a film that's very much about a vibe or feeling IMO (which Ebert was always pretty good at picking up on I think, thus my link to his review), and either you're receptive to that vibe or you're not.

Subjective art ... is good ... wonderful ... vital even.

And that's part of what I appreciated about the film, it seemed from the outset to have a relatively personal essence that you either connected with or didn't ... which is what my comparison to some of the modern stuff, especially TV, that I've consumed lately. There's nothing quite like a "personal" work.

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