Upon careful analysis of the top posts, I believe lemmy needs more unhinged text posts

man cannot live on memes and news alone. there is a void here. news stories breed reasoned discussion, generally filled with stringent, on topic remarks. memes breed tepid remarks, a step above twitter blue check replies, but little worth reading.

what we need is rants. schizophrenic analysis of an old tv show. schizophrenic analysis of taylor swift's private jet schedule. takes. banter. self-posts, text-posts, and OC content in general.

only about 10% of people in any given community contribute. that means 90% of you are stifling your need to post with other, healthier methods. but i implore: to post is the way. posting is light. posting will bring you a better life, posting will heal your children, grant you a healthy crop, and secure your place in the grand hum of modern discourse

fossilesque ,
@fossilesque@mander.xyz avatar

I also vote more people should drink mercury and lead shots, and take one too many tabs and shit post.

AgentGrimstone ,

But if I do, I'll hurt people's feelings somehow and they won't like me anymore!

w2tpmf ,

Bold of you to assume that they like you now.

nl4real ,

His name was Powderman Jones. He was a man of donuts. He was apprenticed to the Kittenmongers of Snarf some 20 years ago. One day his cheese was stolen by the finger boys. So he hunted them through the state of Mississippi, and ate their toes. There were no survivors. No George! If only he could've known that doom was approaching the land, he could have powdered the toast. All exists. None Exists. FUCK Damocles. Mississippi cornflakes sees you. No one escapes. Everyone escapes. You've been corncobbed. The end. No it isn't.

HobbitFoot ,

🦰 I 👈 know❗️💡 what's❓️ going 🏃‍♀️💨 on 🔛 here . 👇 I 😤know 😤what's😤 going😤 on😤 here. 😤 Okay?😠 I do. 💅And if you 👉want me 👈 to wander🚶‍♂️👣 backstage 🎦🧱 to... "spill 🚚🌊 the beans..." 🍛 ... It's the final🏁 question, 😕❔️ right? 🤔 They're 🤡 in the loop! 🔁 I'm 😔 the only one 😥 out 📤 of the loop⭕️⤵️ it would seem. 🤥 And if we 👬 check 👀 my POINT TOTAL #️⃣ HERE ,🔻🔻 I 🙅‍♀️don't🙅‍♂️ NEED 🙈 to walk to the front!🗿🗿🗿 Because I 😇 KNOW 😡 what it is! 😵‍💫 It's a big 🐳 ol' 🦕 GOOSE 🦤 EGG, 🥚 GANG! 🤡🤡🤡 A FAT ZERO! ❌️0️⃣ HELLO! 🚪✊️🤛 A LITTLE 🤏 LATE ⏳️ ADDITION ➕️ TO NUMERICAL 🔢 SYMBOL 🔣 CHART📋 BROUGHT🔜 TO US 👨‍👩‍👧‍👦BY OUR FRIENDS🫂 IN🌍 ARABIA. 🙀💖 A LITTLE BIT🤌 OF TRIVIA💭‼️ ABOUT THE HISTORY 📚OF NUMBERS. 🧮 THAT ☝️KIND OF LITTLE TIDBIT 📌WOULD SERVE 🎾ME🤬 WELL 👍IN MOST📊 TRIVIA 🛎GAMES, UNLESS 😳 IT HAD BEEN RIGGED 😈🧗‍♀️FROM THE BEGINNING!⏲️ 🙉OHHH, 🙀 I'VE ONLY🙈 JUST BEGUN 🙊TO PULL ✍️THE THREAD 🤏🧵ON THIS ➡️SWEATER!🧥 FRIENDS! 😠🖕YOU WOULD 👦THINK,🤔❓️ IN A GAME, 📩🎮 WHERE THERE ARE ONLY😵 TWO ✌️2️⃣‼️POSSIBLE 🎰CORRECT CHOICES, ✅️✅️ THAT ONE 🤡👈WOULD STUMBLE INTO ⚠️💦👟 THE RIGHT↪️✔️ ANSWER 🏆 EVERY SO OFTEN,⌚️👀 WOULDN'T YOU?🤔🤔😠🤔 IN FACT☝️🤓, THE PROBABILITY 💯OF NEVER❌️ GUESSING RIGHT🎲🎲✅️ IN THE FULL🌐 GAME🎙 IS A STATISTICAL📉 WONDER!👩‍🔬🔬 AND YET, 😐 HERE WE ARE!😖 Introduced 🤗 in the top 🔝of the game 🎮 as a champion,🏆🏅🥇🎖 what do you👉👉 think that MEANS? ❓️🤯 Icarus, 👼 flying too close🚫🪁🆙️ to the sun☀️... But it seems, 👀 DAEDALUS👩‍🏭, our little MASTER CRAFTER 👷‍♂️🔨😇 over here, HAD 👐SOME WAX WINGS🕯🫕 OF HIS OWN.🔥🔥 He wanted to see his son 👼fall🍂 from the sky, 🌠OH😟 how CLOSE🤏 to the SUN🥵🔆 HE FLEW! ✈️ WELL, I'M😤 NOT!🙅‍♀️🙅‍♂️ HAVING IT!🗣🚫 I've SOLVED💱✔️ your labyrinth🌽🌽🚧, PUZZLEMASTER! 🤴🧩 THE MINOTAUR'S 🐂 ESCAPED😱, AND YOU'RE 👉😡👉GONNA GET THE HORNS😈, BUDDY. 🤘
I 🅱️➕️🍃➕️🏌‍♂️⏪️📋
CANNOT 🚫⛔️👎🙅‍♂️🙅‍♀️🔕❌️
WIN!!! 🤓🤏🏆🚫➡️🤬🦰

crazyCat ,

That hurt my visual cortex holders.

cashews_best_nut ,
@cashews_best_nut@lemmy.world avatar

banter

It won't work. I regularly post banter, irony, sarcasm. But it just gets taken too seriously. People accuse me of having an agenda or seriously believing some of the utterly outlandish things I say.

I'll sa stupid shit like "the Java programming language causes cancer" and people will think I'm fucking SERIOUS?!

The other day I said the VERY obviously unserious: "Only bourgeois homosexuals and gentrified lesbians use Wayland".

Bear in mind I'm gay and my that user account has a rainbow flag in it!

One lesbian found it funny and responded. It was mostly downvoted and it lasted 4hrs before getting deleted and my account banned.

I regularly make comments that are blindingly obvious sarcasm - they use utterly ridiculous sentences like the above about "gentrified lesbians".

Everyone takes them seriously. There's absolutely NO fucking humour allowed unless it follows a VERY stale Reddit-esque meme format that people are used to.

When someone said they tried meth once and hated it I replied "Skill issue".

I was battered by downvotes.

Another example: I puffed on a strong vape for the first time one morning and made a WHIMSICAL post of: "WOW! How is nicotine legal!?" - cos it almost knocked me the fuck out. I wasn't serious!

Dog-piled by people saying - "Yeah well alcohol is legal!" or "What's your endgame here? What's the agenda?!". Or "If this is bait, then you’re pretending to be an idiot. If not, you’re an actual idiot."

What's with assuming the fucking worst of everyone's posts?! What happened to "que sera sera"?

"Yes I’m bragging about fucking my body you well-oiled grape." - -9 downvotes.

"WELL OILED GRAPE!!!" Oh of course I must have absolutely meant that fuckign classic burn. I don't even WTF it would mean if taken seriously.

"But if I dropped you in the Pacific ocean you wouldn’t live long." to a "Hydro Homie" espousing the virtues of water. -8 downvotes (fucking sarcasm!)

"The weight of my intellect is a heavy burden to bear." - Obvious fucking sarcasm -8 downvotes

"Java devs are the reason humanity will never have FTL drives." - -3 downvotes. Java devs really have NO sense of fucking humour.

I refuse on principal to add the brain-dead "/s" bollocks for obvious sarcasm. It's not my problem the world is wet lipped and loose knickered.

The entire fediverse is filled with humourless, miserable, cynical wishy-washy cunts who dont' spot sarcasm irony or anything unless it's written in BIG FUCKING CAPITALS.

THIS IS A FUNNY - DONT TAKE SERIOUSLY

paddirn ,

Triggered.

The Internet as a whole lost its goddamn mind around 2016, or at the very least, lost the ability to detect sarcasm. Previous to that, you could say crazy, unhinged things, and people could look at your comment and go, "Haha, obviously this person is joking, they said a funny." We could just assume a person was being ironic or sarcastic when they were making a crazy statement. Since 2016 though, you have to finish with the /s tag, or else people will jump all over you, even if you're trying to make a point in support of their actual position. I've had plenty of comments where I'm sarcastically trying to make a point, only for someone to reply and bluntly make the argument I was trying to make through sarcasm. Or they'll accuse you of being x/y/z because people go out of their way to be offended and find the worst possible interpretation of whatever your comment is.

On the one hand, there's alot of misinformation getting flung around, alot of trollbots and state-actors trying to muck up our democracy, and it's gumming up the works, but on the other hand, some people just seem like they've lost the ability to detect sarcasm.

cashews_best_nut ,
@cashews_best_nut@lemmy.world avatar

Yes - thank you!! I'm not sure when it happened but the internet defo feels very different when I compare it when I was running a vBulletin forum in the early-00s.

It was very much an anything-goes wind-up fest.

There's places you can still be sarcastic and ironic. FOr example Reddit's 2westerneurope4u is good but as a whole everything's a lot more serious and dour.

I hoped the UK subs on feddit.uk would be less uptight but unfortunately they're some of the worst for taking things wrong. Whereas on Reddit UK subs they'll proudly refuse to use "/s" the Lemmy users are just as blind to obvious sarcasm.

Even when I've posted videos of British comedy such as Chris Morris it will get donvoted cos I assume people just don't want to laugh?! You'll get people commenting seriously about how such-n-such is better or "oh yeah this was funny when it came out but I didn't like X, Y, Z".

Like fucking hell guys - when was the last time you all laughed?

I dunno, I'm gonna carry on doing my thing. I refuse to be battered into misery by the cynical masses. :)

fossilesque ,
@fossilesque@mander.xyz avatar

GamerGate is around the shift of the internet being srs bzns to serious business. There are a few books on this.

cashews_best_nut ,
@cashews_best_nut@lemmy.world avatar

To add:

Someone posted in a UK sub asking if a "Good News UK" community would be good.

I commented something like: "It'd make sense to set up and leave it empty while bloicking any submissions cos there's bugger all good news about this country"

4 DAY BAN but not just from the Good News UK community - from every other community they moderated including the Nature one which pissed me off most of all cos I fucking love British nature!

Hedgehogs are my fave animal and I've nurtered some back to health. I love tits and especially the crested tit.

Heaven forbid anyone leave a wry comment! Christ you'll get banned from fucking everything.

So no, banter is dead. Humour is dead unless it follows a brain-dead Reddit meme everyone understands.

fossilesque ,
@fossilesque@mander.xyz avatar
9point6 ,

I'm wholely in agreement, anyone who entertains the idea of "/s" can get in the fucking sea.

Java devs really have NO sense of fucking humour.

This is just a universal truth. If they had the intelligence for understanding humour, they'd not need such a verbose language.

thetreesaysbark ,

I think wit is hard over text. To you it's obvious you're joking, and that your joke is that this comment is ridiculous.

To others it can read as someone making a joke with little respect for the Original post.

Take the meth one for example, I can see you being downvoted for that if the original post was serious.

The UK one just sounds stupid though, but then again mods of a Lemmy instance are likely to be people that take things (like Reddit fucking their API) quite seriously. This means our population pool may be a little skewed towards the serious.

On the other hand, I've seen lots of humour here. Especially from the AI generated community with their, a'hem, themes.

0ops ,

I feel like lemmy was a lot funner a few months ago. Imo, the weeks between the reddit protests and the actual app ban were peak. People were so optimistic and friendly! It really felt like a better reddit. I know that the honeymoon feeling wouldn't have lasted, but I think the social dynamic here really took a turn for the worse when hexbear first federated. After a few weeks of putting up with them for the sake of giving them a chance, I finally had enough and blocked them, but I feel like their general sense of unhappiness and combativeness has spread. I'm considering laying off this place because it's getting toxic and I don't think it's good for me.

fmstrat ,

Massive curation of your feed, I.E. subscribing to TONS of small communities and leaving out Menes and news, may help achieve this, and boost traffic to those communities, thus up voting them into All.

It only takes ~100 to make it.

I have debated on setting up Lemmy Community Seeder in reverse on an instance by itself, to only subscribe to small communities with new posts, to see what happens.

Rolando ,
sneezycat ,
@sneezycat@sopuli.xyz avatar

I posted two OCs and got zero comments and little upvotes, so it's not encouraging me to post what I think is cool. But I agree, I think it'd give Lemmy much more personality.

I do give a lot of unhinged takes on comments though so that's colourful enough.

skulblaka ,
@skulblaka@startrek.website avatar

Remember Longcat, Jane? I remember Longcat. Fuck the post on this page, I want to talk about Longcat. Memes were simpler back then, in 2006. They stood for something. And that something was nothing. Memes just were. “Longcat is long.” An undeniably true, self-reflexive statement. Water is wet, fire is hot, Longcat is long. Memes were floating signifiers without signifieds, meaningful in their meaninglessness. Nobody made memes, they just arose through spontaneous generation; Athena being birthed, fully formed, from her own skull.

You could talk about them around the proverbial water cooler, taking comfort in their absurdity. “Hey, Johnston, have you seen the picture of that cat? They call it Longcat because it’s long!” “Ha ha, sounds like good fun, Stevenson! That reminds me, I need to show you this webpage I found the other day; it contains numerous animated dancing hamsters. It’s called — you’ll never believe this — hamsterdance!” And then Johnston and Stevenson went on to have a wonderful friendship based on the comfortable banality of self-evident digitized animals.

But then 2007 came, and along with it came I Can Has, and everything was forever ruined. It was hubris, Jane. We did it to ourselves. The minute we added written language beyond the reflexive, it all went to shit. Suddenly memes had an excess of information to be parsed. It wasn’t just a picture of a cat, perhaps with a simple description appended to it; now the cat spoke to us via a written caption on the picture itself. It referred to an item of food that existed in our world but not in the world of the meme, rupturing the boundary between the two. The cat wanted something. Which forced us to recognize that what it wanted was us, was our attention. WE are the cheezburger, Jane, and we always were. But by the time we realized this, it was too late. We were slaves to the very memes that we had created. We toiled to earn the privilege of being distracted by them. They fiddled while Rome burned, and we threw ourselves into the fire so that we might listen to the music. The memes had us. Or, rather, they could has us.

And it just got worse from there. Soon the cats had invisible bicycles and played keyboards. They gained complex identities, and so we hollowed out our own identities to accommodate them. We prayed to return to the simple days when we would admire a cat for its exceptional length alone, the days when the cat itself was the meme and not merely a vehicle for the complex memetic text. And the fact that this text was so sparse, informal, and broken ironically made it even more demanding. The intentional grammatical and syntactical flaws drew attention to themselves, making the meme even more about the captioning words and less about the pictures. Words, words, words. Wurds werds wordz. Stumbling through a crooked, dead-end hallway of a mangled clause describing a simple feline sentiment was a torture that we inflicted on ourselves daily. Let’s not forget where the word “caption” itself comes from: capio, Latin for both “I understand” and “I capture.” We thought that by captioning the memes, we were understanding them. Instead, our captions allowed them to capture us. The memes that had once been a cure for our cultural ills were now the illness itself.

It goes right back to the Phaedrus, really. Think about it. Back in the innocent days of 2006, we naïvely thought that the grapheme had subjugated the phoneme, that the belief in the primacy of the spoken word was an ancient and backwards folly on par with burning witches or practicing phrenology or thinking that Smash Mouth was good. Fucking Smash Mouth. But we were wrong. About the phoneme, I mean. Theuth came to us again, this time in the guise of a grinning grey cat. The cat hungered, and so did Theuth. He offered us an updated choice, and we greedily took it, oblivious to the consequences. To borrow the parlance of a contemporary meme, he baked us a pharmakon, and we eated it.

Pharmakon, φάρμακον, the Greek word that means both “poison” and “cure,” but, because of the limitations of the English language, can only be translated one way or the other depending on the context and the translator’s whims. No possible translation can capture the full implications of a Greek text including this word. In the Phaedrus, writing is the pharmakon that the trickster god Theuth offers, the toxin and remedy in one. With writing, man will no longer forget; but he will also no longer think. A double-edged (s)word, if you will. But the new iteration of the pharmakon is the meme. Specifically, the post-I-Can-Has memescape of 2007 onward. And it was the language that did it, Jane. The addition of written language twisted the remedy into a poison, flipped the pharmakon on its invisible axis.

In retrospect, it was in front of our eyes all along. Meme. The noxious word was given to us by who else but those wily ancient Greeks themselves. μίμημα, or mīmēma. Defined as an imitation, a copy. The exact thing Plato warned us against in the Republic. Remember? The simulacrum that is two steps removed from the perfection of the original by the process of — note the root of the word — mimesis. The Platonic ideal of an object is the source: the father, the sun, the ghostly whole. The corporeal manifestation of the object is one step removed from perfection. The image of the object (be it in letters or in pigments) is two steps removed. The author is inferior to the craftsman is inferior to God.

Fuck, out of space. Okay, the illustration on page 46 is fucking useless; I’ll see you there.

Ilovethebomb ,

Perfect. 👌

angelsomething ,

We need our own poop-knife style tales. I do miss /r/bestofredditupdates

Mr_Blott ,

If you put mustard on a cat's arse, it'll start to burn, so the cat will lick it off, making the cat's mouth burn so then it'll feel burny at both ends and start spinning in circles, creating infinite power

SpaceNoodle ,

What about people that need to not poop for three days, and absolutely refuse to explain why?

flooppoolf ,

Lack of fiber in their small diets.

Also not everyone eats taco bell twice daily.

Try eating once a day and you’ll experience something similar. (Probably not healthy)

jballs ,
@jballs@sh.itjust.works avatar

They were referring to an AskLemmy post where someone asked for dieting tips to not poop for 3 days. They wouldn't explain why, but assured us that they weren't being smuggled or something.

GBU_28 ,

I just can't trust people walking around with 9 meals plus snacks in them

flooppoolf ,

Meh some of my more unhinged comments get downvoted to hell for being “angry”.

Makes me stick to regurgitating facts in the form of fun fact type of stuff.

Apparently some fuckwads here don’t like rage directed at stupid silly people like boomers, pensioners, or a certain political shade of red.

flooppoolf ,

Like, otherwise this is just another fucking news site.

It’s annoying because people have opinions including those that create the titles for the news links and more often than not even the medical news is subjected to the weird and shitty clickbait tactics used across the net.

I would also like to express my opinion without having to worry about other people’s fucking feelings (within reason; nothing related to hate) like for fucks sake I understand that some people align a certain direction politically, I don’t hate you, I just don’t agree and think that you might’ve rushed to a conclusion there.

Ediiiiit: I like the Lemmy hivemind, it’s much more tolerable and thoughtful than the other fucking site. So I’m not asking for a change actually. I prefer to be told why my opinion sucks but having to explain my whole thought process is a tiny bit aggravating sometimes in order for both of us to realize that we were arguing about two different things. Like… what the fuck man.

Delphia ,

Good text communities are sorely lacking, or at least hard to find.

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