ted ,

Asserting that god exists/doesn't exist isn't anti-atheist/anti-religious, hate against (a)theists is.

Lemongrab ,

But it is when you call others stupid for having the belief in a god.

ted ,

I'm not saying he isn't a dick in this thread, but a theist may just as easily concern troll and say, "I just want nonbelievers not to go to hell" and that feels equivalent to me.

No one is being swayed by either of these arguments either way.

The user in question is borderline block material anyway based on the rest of their engagement, and they get uuuuuultra defensive when called out.

abfarid ,
@abfarid@startrek.website avatar

If you block FlyingSquid you basically lose ⅓ of all Lemmy content.

ted ,

Wish I could block their comments and not their link posts

shani66 ,

Kind of off topic, but man it bothers me to see what r/atheism has done to religious discussions. Christianity isn't religion, it is a singular religion amongst a sea of far less stupid and destructive religions. It's always so obvious when someone is just talking about their Christian trauma instead of, say, sikhism or something.

Silentiea ,
@Silentiea@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

It's even worse than that, because Christianity isn't even a singular religion, it's a set of related religions, some of which are incredibly problematic and others the worst they have going for them is they "are technically a religion"

minibyte ,

No such rules in this one – your god is a lie sold to castrate and incapacitate you.

wander1236 ,
@wander1236@sh.itjust.works avatar

Does that mean you deserve to die in a crowd crush, something not at all unique to religious gatherings?

spujb OP ,

r/atheism and its consequences have been disastrous to the traditional practice of being a decent human being online

imPastaSyndrome ,

Riiiiiiiight it's atheists that are the problem. Not just shitty people who happen to be atheist...

spujb OP ,

With emphasis, no, it’s shitty people who happen to be atheist who are the problem. :) Just to clarify, because I would never make that first statement.

“the silliest thing to claim without evidence or explanation of any sort”

You are right, I left a lot implied because my sentiment is a fairly common one. But fair to point out—my apologies. Here is a citation showing that I am far from the first person to hold this opinion on r/atheism.

Note again that I don’t hold any prejudice against any belief system; I only hold that r/atheism in particular historically fostered a culture of toxicity which makes anti-religious prejudice and personal attacks more common compared to offline spaces.

x4740N ,
@x4740N@lemm.ee avatar

Scribe link for those who don't want to encounter the medium paywall

http://farside.link/scribe/@morkimus/why-reddit-isnt-solely-to-blame-for-ruining-atheism-1f14ddc47895

CileTheSane ,
@CileTheSane@lemmy.ca avatar

Riiiiiiiight it's atheists that are the problem. Not just shitty people who happen to be atheist...

90% of religious people have a similar reaction when people complain about shitty people who happen to be religious.

Turns out you find shitty people in every group. Who knew?

imPastaSyndrome ,

Problem is atheists are complaining about the people who run the religion, there's no "head of the atheism"

CileTheSane ,
@CileTheSane@lemmy.ca avatar

The linked comment isn't complaining about the head of anything.

imPastaSyndrome ,

They're not complaining either. They're mocking. You're talked about complaining about bad people when atheists say these are bad Christians. They're talking about the heads of churches usually or heads of political parties. You know the people with influence and power.

When you talk about bad atheists you talk about randommorons on the internet who are mocking people who don't deserve it

CileTheSane ,
@CileTheSane@lemmy.ca avatar

You know the people with influence and power.

Who are shitty people that happen to be religious. Criticise them for being shitty and pushing shitty policies, don't pretend that every prison who happens to be religious is responsible for them or believes and behaves in the same way.

Crashumbc ,

While not impossible elsewhere. Extremely large crush killings like this happen with alarming regularity at religious events.

moosetwin ,
@moosetwin@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

No such rules in this one

Though neither specifically mention religion, here are the rules for c/196 and lemmy.world that may cover this case:

196 rules:

https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/pictrs/image/dfd801c2-5346-44ef-877a-7a0b7e7c48db.webp

lemmy.world TOS:

https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/pictrs/image/a0b22a86-7b82-4d55-ae66-48a84f758d28.webp

In addition, lemmy.world's TOS states that they must follow the laws of the below three countries, which may have laws regarding this issue:

https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/pictrs/image/f3cd2ed6-1261-4be3-bb82-b1c4dfed040c.webp

minibyte ,

I read that and don’t see how it’s relevant in this case. I’m simply telling the truth. Invest your tithe into a retirement account and call it a day.

Tregetour ,
@Tregetour@lemdro.id avatar

If the mod team on this instance is going to be that prescriptive around how religion is mentioned, then they're better off just blanket-banning any mention of it altogether, like on Whirlpool.

If you're a <insert faith>, and in the natural course of discussion people start criticizing ideas that inform <insert faith>'s beliefs and ethics, that's not a personal attack. It's not 'bigotry' on the basis that you disagree. It's not 'trolling' purely because it made you upset.

I'm going to separately post the famous Charlie Hebdo cover in this thread, the one published after Muslim extremists murdered their people over cartoons. If this instance is so straitjacketed by Australia's ridiculous lawmaking in this area that it cannot tolerate such a post, then it's not a forum for adults.

Taleya ,

how the fuck is this an appropriate comment to make in response to someone getting yanked over explicitly saying a specific religion was "made up".

This is not a situation dealing with a critique of "Ideas that inform" this was straight up the statement "Your faith is made up bullshit and people died stupidly because of this made up bullshit"

Tregetour ,
@Tregetour@lemdro.id avatar

'Anti-religious comment' accurately describes my scenario. Anyone who dislikes the hypothetical critique can simply hit the report button and it will get wiped if Rule 4 is read at face value.

CileTheSane ,
@CileTheSane@lemmy.ca avatar

Anyone who dislikes the hypothetical critique can simply hit the report button and it will get wiped if Rule 4 is read at face value.

Oh, so you want to throw your terrible take out there for everyone, but you don't want to actually defend it or have people openly disagree with you?

princessnorah ,
@princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

...is so straitjacketed by Australia's ridiculous lawmaking in this area...

Seriously? Tell me you're American without telling me you're American.

MindTraveller ,

Flying Squid told me I had psychosis because I disagreed with their views on religion. They're an asshole.

bartolomeo ,
@bartolomeo@suppo.fi avatar

That's a stupid thing to say. I recently had an exchange with him and found out he's kind of off his rocker, so I wouldn't sweat it too much if I were you.

Noel_Skum ,

Sorry. Let me get this right. You had an exchange with a stranger on the internet that didn’t agree with you? They said some crazy stuff so you thought: fuck it. You didn’t argue and start throwing insults. You didn’t take offence from what a rando was saying. You just kinda ignored it and got on with your life? Wtf is wrong with you, my friend? I hope you’re happy in your adult, stress-free, mature life choices.

Tregetour ,
@Tregetour@lemdro.id avatar

https://lemdro.id/pictrs/image/fe827662-8b31-48fc-bc65-25bf583a051c.jpeg

HootinNHollerin ,

Ok wow crybaby lol

spujb OP ,

what if you logged on to the internet and were kind

HootinNHollerin ,

What if you didn’t complain in a totally unrelated community?

yetAnotherUser ,

Ah yes, please do complain about it in a community that has nothing to do with it!

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