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hummingbird , to Technology in "Privacy-Preserving" Attribution: Mozilla Disappoints Us Yet Again

Sad to see Mozilla being managed into the ground, betraying their principles and selling their users.

swayevenly , to Technology in "Privacy-Preserving" Attribution: Mozilla Disappoints Us Yet Again

Anyone see the option to turn it off on Android phones?

jabathekek ,
@jabathekek@sopuli.xyz avatar

IMO it's the option in Data collection called Marketing data. It doesn't say it's PPA outright, but it sounds like the same sort of thing. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

reversebananimals ,

It's a desktop only feature, it hasn't been built into mobile I believe

Sanctus , to Technology in "Privacy-Preserving" Attribution: Mozilla Disappoints Us Yet Again
@Sanctus@lemmy.world avatar

Look, everything is going to disappoint us. Everything runs off a profit motive, and it turns out profit is immoral.

jabathekek ,
@jabathekek@sopuli.xyz avatar

All your heroes are dead.

Sanctus ,
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"The worst thing that can happen to your people is for them to fall into the hands of a hero"

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jabathekek ,
@jabathekek@sopuli.xyz avatar

New saying:

Kill all your heroes.

Toes , to Technology in "Privacy-Preserving" Attribution: Mozilla Disappoints Us Yet Again
@Toes@ani.social avatar

Oh wow, that needs to be off by default like yesterday. 💀

timewarp , to Technology in "Privacy-Preserving" Attribution: Mozilla Disappoints Us Yet Again
@timewarp@lemmy.world avatar

I've tried explaining to the Firefox cult that they do a lot of tracking and telemetry by default but they just hurl insults. Time to leave the cult.

sturlabragason ,

I get a lot of beef for Brave. Any viable alternatives that aren’t derivatives of Chromium or FF but are maintained?

JackGreenEarth ,
@JackGreenEarth@lemm.ee avatar

GNOME Web is mostly ok. It breaks on a few sites and doesn't have easy extension support.

sturlabragason ,

Yeah that was exactly the conclusion I reached since asking 😅

girsaysdoom ,

Firefox forks seem to be the best option. Chromium-based browsers still report to Google unless you basically break them.

hal_5700X ,
@hal_5700X@sh.itjust.works avatar

What about ungoogled-chromium?

girsaysdoom ,

I used to run that years ago and what I remembered was that it was a handful to maintain with updates when I used to run it on windows. It could be completely different now, so don't let my past experience hold you back from trying it out.

mrvictory1 ,

Webkit based browsers like safari and gnome web are your only options if you don't want derivatives.

fin ,

tracking and telemetry by Firefox is not even comparable to that of chrome. Google knows you better than you. Firefox's telemetry used to be solely for improving user experience, and not ads and bullshit.

Now that Firefox's gonna show us some ads, I think I have to get away from it as a protest

c0smokram3r , to Technology in "Privacy-Preserving" Attribution: Mozilla Disappoints Us Yet Again
@c0smokram3r@midwest.social avatar

WTH, Mozilla 🤦🏼‍♀️

Also, fuck you, dude:

One Mozilla developer claimed that explaining PPA would be too challenging, so they had to opt users in by default.

BearOfaTime ,

"You're too dumb to understand so we make decisions for you"

Fuck that condescending prick with a pineapple.

sunbeam60 ,

Chill; he’s probably not talking about you. He is talking about “your mom”. If you want her to use Firefox, it’s got to be simple.

Don_alForno ,

Opt-in IS simple. Mom just won't opt in.

Emerald ,

But this PPA stuff doesn't need to be enabled by default. They are opting-in all Firefox users to something they don't understand.

jabathekek , (edited )
@jabathekek@sopuli.xyz avatar

I think explaining a system like PPA would be a difficult task.

IMO that just means they barely understand it themselves. Anyone that understands something with an amount of proficiency can explain it to a child layman and it'll make sense, given they don't use technical nomenclature.

*Layman is a better term. Children are... complicated.

solrize ,

The difficulty is in spinning it to sound non invasive. And of course takes a level of self corruption to even want to do that, since PPA is invasive and you have to delude yourself into thinking otherwise.

adarza ,

i read that as more like "nobody would opt in if it was opt-in".

kbal ,
@kbal@fedia.io avatar

One Mozilla developer claimed that explaining PPA would be too challenging

It's not that difficult to explain. "When you visit the website of a participating advertiser whose ads you've seen, do you want us to tell them that someone saw their ads and visited their site, without telling them it was you? Y/N"

But if they asked such a question almost all of the small fraction of users who bother to read the whole sentence would still see no good reason to want to participate. Coming up with one is that hard part. It requires some pretty fancy rationalizations. Firefox keeping track of which ads I've seen? No, thanks.

If there was an option to make sure that advertisers whose ads I've blocked know that they got blocked, I might go for that.

The writer apparently thinks that the previous Mozilla misstep into advertising land was the Mr. Robot thing six years ago, which seems to confirm my impression that this one is getting a bigger reaction than their other recent moves in this direction. We'll see if the rest of the tech press picks it up. Maybe one day when the cumulative loss of users shows up more clearly in the telemetry they'll reconsider.

Paradox ,
@Paradox@lemdro.id avatar

Let's not forget when they shipped a full page ad for a Disney movie into a browser update

fuggadihere ,

Lol what? I gotta find this

kn0wmad1c ,
@kn0wmad1c@programming.dev avatar

If you can't explain a difficult concept in a simple way, then you don't truly understand it.

sunbeam60 ,

Bah, that’s such a lame hot take.

Tonnes of things are really complicated to explain because they’re complicated.

kn0wmad1c ,
@kn0wmad1c@programming.dev avatar

It's a paraphrased quote from Richard Feynman

sunbeam60 ,

I know. But it’s wrong.

theherk ,

String theory. Go.

towerful ,

How long is it?

leftzero ,
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