Can we have like serious discussion without these sensationalising but dumb quips? Is there any adult here at all in this room who would be willing to have a nice conversation about the dangers of safety vs control?
Can we have like serious discussion without these sensationalising but dumb quips? Is there any adult here at all in this room who would be willing to have a nice conversation about the dangers of safety vs control?
Still think it's a baited headline given their stated intention to go to court to fight the "unconstitutional ruling". I'm not so sure the constitution gives foreign companies many legal rights so in that regard they'd perhaps be more protected if they were an American company. Whoops.
TikTok's 80% of investors who aren't ByteDance won't pass up billions of dollars in cash either if the alternative is that they forever get zero from the American market.
They've been investing heavily in the US market for the last couple years too, so I doubt they are in the black.
They've just all around played politics the American way very poorly. I can't really comment on whether that's good or bad but I'm blown away this Shou Chew CEO dude still has a job after this came down.
They're probably going to find themselves having to explain what it means that a social media platform is itself engaged in speech, instead of functioning as a platform for others to speak. TikTok users, whose voices are allegedly curtailed by the ban, aren't exactly prevented from going to another platform.
If they say that it's Tiktok's speech that's curtailed, they're going to have to explain carefully how they're not a foreign influence operation.
The language of the first amendment is pretty stark, but the courts have always understood it has various limits.
They never thought it was a bad thing; they just put it back under the log that they hide their racism, genocidal bloodthirst, and unearned arrogance-- wait, they still call that "Exceptionalism".
A thing never mentioned in these debates is that noone in the world is buying tiktok without buying the underlying algorithm, the same algorithm the app runs on worldwide, the algorithm is the special sauce. They are not going to sell the basis for their app just for a single payday in the US market, which after buying it, they could rebrand and then once successful in the US, compete in the global market against tiktok but with the income of the most lucrative app market in the world behind them. It’s an extremely stupid business move.
I feel like this ban WILL start a monopoly. Since Facebook does the same amount or more data mining than TikTok, Facebook will have to be banned alongside Instagram, making YouTube Shorts a monopoly, as there really isn't any other alternatives that are relevant.
Yes. This has been ongoing since TikTok acquired musical.ly. The CFIUS didn’t care as much until it became popular. TikTok has tried to comply, so why isn’t the CFIUS and there considerations being heeded?
This is the same conclusion Second Thought came to a while back in one of his youtube videos. While I don't disagree with the conclusion, I also wouldn't say it's mutually exclusive to reasoning promoted by the mainstream media of "foreign influence. " What's really wild is the idea that the ban is also being pushed by "foreign influence."
Plausible deniability, 2 birds with 1 stone. There are hundreds of companies with foreign investors and influence. TikTok has tried to work with investigators and even spent $1.5 billion on a server framework for Project Texas. If TikTok was a crappy app and wasn’t the primary source of news for young adults, the government wouldn’t care.
This move against TikTok predates the Hamas attacks and Israel's military action. It's insane that TikTok's ban is because teens are more likely to be pro-palestine.
It does. But there are mechanisms within CFIUS that TikTok was working through. Trump and Congress decided to circumvent CFIUS and go after TikTok, which is their right, but why?
So CFIUS would be a good process that would be short of a ban. You know, they could look at the app. They could decide whether or not there are other things that the company could do. But I think Congress has basically gone and kind of short-circuited that process and said, no, we're not going to have the Committee on Foreign Investment look at this. We're not going to have other processes look at it. We're just going to make a decision as the Congress that this app needs to be sold in a short time, or it will be banned.
And so why is it that we'll still be able to access apps like the clothing company Shein in in the U.S. - that's also Chinese owned - Temu, which sells all sorts of stuff - clothing and housing goods? These apps are also Chinese owned and are on a lot of American phones. source
It’s because of TikTok’s popularity and influence.
I don't know about you, but if I must leak my private data like a sieve to use the internet, I'd much rather that data go to a government that isn't governing me!
A government that isn't governing you ... yet and that has no ambitions (/s) to take over as much power as possible in the country you live in, you mean?
I don't think you'd like ruining your social score by hanging out too much on lemmy and as a result losing access to movies/streaming/games, driving cars and your dog.
Ahh yes, I should be worried about how they could in the future, do something while my current government can make me a fucking slave, legally if they decide to.
Look, I don't know which country you live in but if you're worried it might make you a slave, you should riot (if at all possible, that is). Be part of the opposition.
It's obviously more of a problem when a government that actually has agency over you harvests your data. If you can't even understand this, then you're truly lost.
They (not just China - any country, in fact) don't have to do anything to you. But they can in such a way influence you to go against your own country's policies directed towards these countries, for example. That's the reality when a country choose to be a foe instead of a friend - they'll get extra paranoid to think that the other country have everything planned to go against them, which ended up to be a reality as a consequence of retaliatory measures by these new foes.
Problems with this app go beyond just privacy and bleed into national security.
You as a citizen of your country have an obligation to not freely offer yourself up as an attack vector for cybercriminals all so you could fry your brain with garbage media.
Case in point: all the college protests. All the arrests happening are from people being encouraged on TikTok to become aggressive and angry towards apartheid. But the question is how the fuck is protesting at a college going to change what a government in another country is going to do in any way? The Israeli government gives little to no fuck about kids opinions protesting at a college campus in the United States. It's likely civil unrest being spread by TikTok.
Wait, are you trying to frame "people protesting their government committing genocide" as them violating "their obligation to not freely offer yourself up as an attack vector."
You're literally just trying to say that citizens shouldn't allow themselves to be exposed to views counter to government line.
The US government is not committing genocide, it's the Israelis. I'm telling you these protests don't do shit becuase it's literally another government doing it and do not give a fuck about college kids in a completely different country.
TikTok is spreading this shit. These protests do nothing and only increase civil unrest.
Why not also protest at, I don't know, the White House or Congress? The people who make policy work there, a college faculty can't do shit to affect Israeli strategic policy.
Ooof, nice eugenicist reference ("troglodyte", which afaic falls under the same red flag as "degenerate"). Guess we know exactly what you are, don't we?
Ok. I'm not going to argue basic facts with a genocide denying fascist who thinks media should be suppressed if it "increases civil unrest" (aka, shows the truth.)
No, dipshit. I am also participating in these college protests and it's typically peaceful. And I'm also trying to tell you TikTok is perpetuating the aggressive nature of some of them causing cops to start mass arrests to delegitimize the protests. It is a fucking attack vector to cause unrest.
See, this is why it's not worth arguing with fascists like you. You're clearly just trolling; you aren't even bothering to keep your basic positions consistent (see you up and down the thread saying things like "These protests do nothing and only increase civil unrest." and yet you're know trying to claim that you're actually part of the protests and actually Tiktok is trying to 'legitimize' them)
Lol, you replied with an unrelated non-sequitur. If anything, that does the opposite of rebuke what I said; further proves that you're knowingly trolling.
You literally called me a fascist prior to my non-sequitur, and you started this silly scenario with your nonsense nonsequitur. I'm simply defending myself here.
The US government provides weapons for the genocide.
One of the main campuses in the protests is opening a campus in Israel, which students are opposing until Israel ends genocide and apartheid.
Many of the campuses donate money to or have partnerships with candidates and organizations that are also complicit in the genocide.
Of course Israel isn't going to stop genocide because a bunch of college students in the US don't like it. But that doesn't mean students have to sit idly as their tuition dollars go to fund genocide.
Funded by Amerikan money. The government you uplift, and everyone who still supports them after eight months of unmitigated genocide, is complicit. Is a collaborator.
I'm not sure it's true that the Israeli government doesn't care about American public opinion, since they do benefit from American military support, but let's assume what you said is true.
Even if Americans protesting won't stop the genocide, won't end apartheid, I'd prefer that those atrocities are not committed with my tax dollars, with support from my government, in my name. The lesson learned from 9/11 shouldn't have been "we need to enact regime change anywhere in the world where American interest are opposed". It should have been "Americans better make sure they are OK with the things that their government is doing abroad".
I'm not OK with it, I'm not willing to risk dying in a terrorist attack so that Gaza can be levelled with "made in America" munitions. I'm not willing to risk dying in a terrorist attack so that oil companies and other big business interests have friendly regimes to collude with in the region as they scam the people out of their resources and freedoms.
They have very simple demands, they're not giving some pie in the sky stuff like "have Joe Biden tried for war crimes and abolish capitalism" or something; the protests all have demands along the lines that their university boycott Israeli companies and cut ties with weapons manufacturers aiding the genocide. To claim otherwise is completely infantalising to the protestors who are risking their university positions and physical health to protest despite the police crackdowns.
If they don't care then why did satanyahu come out in a speech against it? Protesting does work and does matter. You only need to look at history to see that
If you actually think that app is there for the purpose of entertaining you and marketing to you you are naive beyond belief. Go look into the level of control the chinese government has over their tech sector and the restrictions they place on companies operating there.
Or on second thought don't even bother. For sheep like yourself it will all go in one ear and out the other. Keep letting them shove their hands down your ass and puppet you more.
Fuck Amerika's national security; I don't claim this mf country. I don't even think twice about lying about where I'm from when I'm in international circles that ask me what it is. If someone offered me citizenship with them to Yeonmi Park y'all asses, I'd do it in a new york minute.
