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It’s literally not worth your time to talk to me. If you do, I’m just going to assume you’re either in the IDF or working out of that one Air Force Intelligence Base for the US. Literally no real normal person would ever engage with someone like Me if they don’t agree with me.

pop ,

Literally no real normal person would ever engage with someone like Me if they don’t agree with me.

I think this bit was unnecessary. You just gave the genocide enablers something easy to deflect from the main point of the post. See the top comments, but kudos for calling out the hypocrisies of a US. Both parties support the genocide but there's a ruckus when you point it out.

Olgratin_Magmatoe ,

In a few decades from now when there are encyclopedia entries about this genocide, I wonder which pictures they will use. I wonder if this will be one of them. Fuck Haley.

Hugh_Jeggs , (edited )

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    clark ,
    @clark@midwest.social avatar

    Y’all’s mask is slowly slipping, too.

    FlashMobOfOne ,
    @FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world avatar

    Yup. All the so-called liberals are over here clamoring for another four years of Genocide Joe and just ignoring it, when we could have had Marianne Williamson instead.

    Olgratin_Magmatoe ,

    when we could have had Marianne Williamson instead.

    We cannot with the current state of the system.

    quindraco ,

    You want the country to be run however Marianne thinks her magic rocks are telling her to run it?

    bill_buttlicker ,

    This is so so fucked up. Makes me so incredibly sad that people can have such little (no) empathy for fellow humans.

    Linkerbaan ,
    @Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

    Biden got Republicans to support his abortion policies.

    TheFonz ,

    Kony 2012

    FrostyCaveman ,

    This is some dark shit. Like seriously a new low

    Sweetpeaches69 ,

    I believe you mean Nimarata Haley. Same with Rafael Cruz. We need to start calling them by their real names, because they don't respect pronouns. You can't have your cake, and also white wash your own name for your ignorant base.

    prettybunnys ,

    “Don’t talked to me …. Literally no one would engage with me unless they agreed with me” is the dumbest fucking thing ever said.

    You’re saying “these are my beliefs and I am acknowledging I am stubborn on how I hold them and will not tolerate any thought even if it helps hone my position”

    Even if I agree with you (and I do) about this fucked up situation you’ve identified yourself as extreme and not worth having around in intelligent conversation and through your extreme effort you push more than you get people on your side.

    fsxylo , (edited )

    There's a certain subset of users on this site that are immediately combative, stupid, petty, and assured of their moral righteousness. Price of not using reddit, I'm afraid.

    Dagnet ,

    Very true, encountered quite a few. Really makes you think twice before commenting, "is it even worth it?"

    fsxylo ,

    Just don't post the most milquetoast criticism of anything and you're fine! /s

    beardown ,

    users on this site that are immediately combative, stupid, petty, and assured of their moral righteousness

    It's just autism.

    There's no reason to assume foreign disinformation agents (which are real and are also here) when the most likely explanation for why so many users on a fringe internet forum are antisocial and combative is autism.

    fsxylo ,

    I... didn't say anything like that?

    Usually these people pop up when I criticize some corporation or product that they seem to have attached their entire self-esteem to.

    beardown ,

    criticize some corporation or product that they seem to have attached their entire self-esteem to.

    Which is also autism

    Although US corporations use the same tactics as foreign/CIA public relations operations. Tribalism is profitable, as Fox News and Limbaugh proved, and can be applied to products and brands as well as political topics

    Floodedwomb ,

    A certain majority.

    dalekcaan ,

    Price of not using Reddit

    You say that like there wasn't/isn't a subset of redditors who are immediately combative, stupid, petty, and assured of their moral righteousness.

    fsxylo ,

    I guess because reddit was more mainstream, that the concentration was less. And you could avoid most of it by avoiding political subs.

    Here not so much.

    dalekcaan ,

    Fair point

    TheFonz ,

    Dude. These are the most fragile people on earth. The slightest push back and they snap like twigs. You're one comment away from being a Nazi-Genocide defending-Zionist shill for the most milquetoast engagement.

    What they don't realize is that even though I align with 99% of their positions, by reacting in such a way they are perpetuating the narrative that this camp is composed of imbeciles unable to hold a conversation about.... anything really.

    fsxylo ,

    It's funny because I don't even post political opinions anymore, despite being pretty far left myself.

    I said Anya taylor-Joy doesn't play a convincing poor person on screen and said her brand probably depends on it and immediately got called the stupidest person in a thread about how her newest movie was a failure.

    You'd think I wrote a nazi manifesto to deserve that kind of flack.

    quindraco ,

    You are impressively bad at detecting sarcasm.

    prettybunnys ,

    I’d wager I’m not

    Spiralvortexisalie ,

    The Nationwide Libertarian Party has given us a third option that will be on the ballot in all 50 states, his name is Chase Oliver, and does not support these wars.

    Atom , (edited )

    And he wants to end support for Ukraine... Hard no from me.

    Edit: he wants the defense industry to be able to sell weapons to anyone they want as long as they are "friends"? Lol, yea, that's totally going to end wars and make the US a beacon of peace... Did you even read the link before sharing?

    blaue_Fledermaus ,
    @blaue_Fledermaus@mstdn.io avatar

    Don't want the right-wing republicans nor the right-wing democrats? Vote for the right-wing libertarians!

    (Not USian)

    Korne127 ,
    @Korne127@lemmy.world avatar

    Literally no real normal person would ever engage with someone like Me if they don’t agree with me.

    That's just absolutely not true. It's completely normal, and even important, to engage with people that have a different opinon.

    hahapeepeepoopooooo ,

    Arguing with freakazoids over whether or not it's right or wrong to murder 40+ civilians to kill 1 suspected terrorist is pointless imo, but you do you.

    Korne127 ,
    @Korne127@lemmy.world avatar

    For the record, of course it's appalling what happened there. And I find it terrible by any means.
    But, despite what the group in this context currently thinks, I generally do think it is important to talk with other people when they have different opinions. That's just a big belief I have. Just by talking, Daryl Davis could get over 200 members to leave a Ku-Klux-Klan which resulted in its dissolution. If you don't talk to people, they will just be with other likeminded people and aren't able to get new information or change their mind.

    MotoAsh ,

    Back in my day we killed fascists, not politely ask them to stop being murderous clowns...

    Xanis ,

    "Back in your day" you could afford a home while delivering newspapers and recycling glass soda bottles to pay utilities. While fascism hasn't changed, how we prefer to try and handle situations have. Time will tell if it's the right choice, though I do feel we are too lenient and restrained as a whole.

    MotoAsh ,

    What does your point have to do with fighting against fascism and why are people so fucking pathetic that they vote down an obvious, "punch nazis" expression?

    This country is completely fucked, because "good" morons don't understand that the bad people WANT to be bad... Grow the fuck up and realize virtue signaling online doesn't make you a fighter against fascism.

    Xanis ,

    I think because the majority know what should be done. Yet despite being connected to anyone with access to the Internet, that majority also feel all too often like individuals. It's difficult to want to agree to more radical courses of action when you're uncertain how many will stand with you. There isn't much room to course correct in that equation.

    tdlr: People are angry and also scared.

    beardown ,

    Which is always how the Volk feel under a decayed capitalist society. And is what makes the transition to fascism easier to occur

    Xanis ,

    Now SHOULD be different because we can talk. We can organize easier than ever. Information is literally ours for the taking, and the holding onto. What we lack as an entire unified desire is a unifying individual. We don't have leaders, not really, and to truly stand together we need people who have the leadership and bold desire to pull us together. If I'm being completely honest, this is all that's left to find. People have found their anger, have not lost hope, standing upon a powerful desire to have better lives.

    All we need is someone to say "follow me". BUT it has to be the right person.

    I may be bold in saying this, though now in 2024 I honestly and truly believe Bernie was a few years too early, strange as that may sound.

    beardown ,

    Now SHOULD be different because we can talk. We can organize easier than ever.

    And yet we are in the middle of a loneliness epidemic wherein people live highly atomized lives without a physical community. Which benefits the ruling class as it ensure that the working class does not organize - Which makes the recent unionization movements all the more impressive

    We don't have leaders, not really, and to truly stand together we need people who have the leadership and bold desire to pull us together

    The intelligence agencies identify and eliminate such figures before they can arise if they actually represent a challenge to our current order. And have done so since the Counterintelligence Program that permitted the deaths of Malcolm X, MLK, etc. For a more recent example, check out how many of the Ferguson riots leaders are no longer alive. "Cancelling" (aka, reputational assassination) is also a tactic that is easily used, as well as Lawfare (Law+warfare) through the legal system, wherein targets are charged with insignificant or unrelated crimes to ensure they do not challenge the regime. Such as Eugene Debs.

    Clearly something needs to be done and we should not ever lose hope. But we should also be very clear-eyed regarding the scope and scale of this challenge. The oligarchs will only share power if they are required to. Which was true under the monarchy, and is true now.

    zaph ,
    @zaph@sh.itjust.works avatar

    So what's stopping you today?

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