elizabethtasker , (edited )
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Let's do a quiz! The Japan-led Martian Moons eXploration (MMX) mission to Mars's moon Phobos will carry a rover named "IDEFIX" that was developed by the French and German space agencies. But what is the purpose of IDEFIX (in addition to other tasks)?

elizabethtasker OP ,
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People. There is no way to sugarcoat this: You failed.

The answer was "Help the spacecraft land safely".

Samples from Phobos will be collected by the main MMX spacecraft, but landing is SUPER dangerous and no one has ever visited Phobos before, so WHAT IS DOWN THERE?

Thick sandy regolith? Sharp rocks? Mars rats that bite spacecraft toes?

UNKNOWN.

So the first job of IDEFIX is to be sacrificed to the Mars rats... uh, I mean... report back on the surface conditions.

davidbcohen ,
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@elizabethtasker Isn’t that where the portal to hell is located?

grb090423 ,
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@elizabethtasker

Well done to the 8 percent who got that right 👏🙂

A_bee ,
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@elizabethtasker Nyah Nyah Nyah Nyah Nyah! I got it right! Can I have a gold star?

elizabethtasker OP ,
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@A_bee ONE GOLD STAR FOR YOU! ⭐

elizabethtasker OP ,
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In Japan, they describe the first to do a dangerous task as the "first penguin" 🐧

So, IDEFIX is the first penguin for Phobos!

The little rover is equipped with scientific instruments, so it will also return the first close-up analysis of the Phobos surface, several years before we can expect to get that sample back to Earth.

It will also explore the moon a little bit, but INCREDIBLY SLOWLY because the gravity is WEAK AND WEIRD with Mars being RIGHT THERE.

elizabethtasker OP ,
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The MMX spacecraft does carry a radiation monitor that will be useful information for future crewed missions that may go to the Martian moons.

But IDEFIX is not designed to look for underground caves.

Exploring lava tubes has been proposed for future missions to our Moon. However, our Moon has a geological past that included volcanic activity that created lava tubes. Phobos is too squiffy for that, so I don't think we expect substantial caves.

sharponlooker ,
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@elizabethtasker who knows, if Phobos is an ejected chunk of Mars, maybe it inherited tubes of its own 🙃

I know you know this, but for your readers:
https://mars.nasa.gov/resources/26349/hirise-spots-the-mouth-of-a-martian-lava-tube/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martian_lava_tube

elizabethtasker OP ,
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@sharponlooker I don't think large chunks of Mars can survive when you impact the planet 😅 It all becomes a fluid.

sharponlooker ,
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@elizabethtasker or if we have a rubble pile with high porosity, at what point can we start calling the voids caves & tubes? :smug:

elizabethtasker OP ,
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@sharponlooker Asteroid Ryugu is extremely porous, but there's no extended structure that you could step into.

michael_w_busch ,
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@elizabethtasker @sharponlooker Deep radar sounding of Phobos by MARSIS did show a couple of sub-surface reflections.

But I understood that those are interpreted just as a change in porosity with depth (as we would expect from impacts + dust reaccumulation)?

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@elizabethtasker
You mean it's going to land first, then the MMX lander will choose where and how to land based on that data?

elizabethtasker OP ,
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@jannem Yes. (Other observations from orbit will also help select the landing site, but the rover data is particularly important because it's direct from the surface.)

Fasgadh ,
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@elizabethtasker
"Thick sandy regolith? Sharp rocks? Mars rats that bite spacecraft toes?"

Leather Goddesses?

elizabethtasker OP ,
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@Fasgadh Anything could be down there...!

marywordymary ,

@elizabethtasker I know, I know, but the cave option was too good not to mash the button for. I appreciate learning all this!

pburka ,
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@elizabethtasker Presumably this means the rover will land before the main spacecraft does?

elizabethtasker OP ,
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@pburka Indeed.

conflummoxed ,
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@elizabethtasker - So...let me see if I have the science correct. If Phobos is anything like our own Moon, it is made of cheese, which would explain the presence of the rats. But wouldn't they have enough to eat as it is with all that cheese? What is the nutritional value of an extraterrestrial automated rover?? What is it that these rats want???

aetios ,
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@elizabethtasker i miss the 'arf arf arf' option...

elizabethtasker OP ,
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@aetios I really should have squeezed that one in....

len ,
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@elizabethtasker I really want to answer "to bark at any alien cats and menhirs"

elizabethtasker OP ,
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@len Well, that OBVIOUSLY goes without saying 😉

DaanWilmer ,
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@elizabethtasker biting martian Romans? I heard they have a camp called Frigidarium near the martian South Pole.

elizabethtasker OP ,
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@DaanWilmer I did want to add an "aliens" option, but ran out of poll options!

grb090423 ,
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@elizabethtasker

I should know this but can't remember.

I went for mapping but now have a niggling feeling it might be cave-related 🤔

elizabethtasker OP ,
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@grb090423 I'm saying nothing for.... 22 hours... because i forgot to set the quiz for shorter 😅

grb090423 ,
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@elizabethtasker 😄👍

zleap ,
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@elizabethtasker

If we lose contact with a base on Phobos, at least we can use the game Doom, to run a training mission to investigate.

But on a serious note, investigating the moons of Mars sounds like a great idea.

A_bee ,
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@elizabethtasker I voted for help the spacecraft land because that’s the only one where I’d, eh, fix it works.

alcinoe ,
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@A_bee @elizabethtasker Unless the X is for "exploration," as it is in MMX. Maybe that was a hint.

elizabethtasker OP ,
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@alcinoe @A_bee People. It's a dog. Do take your comic book reading more seriously 😉

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogmatix

alcinoe ,
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michael_w_busch , (edited )
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@elizabethtasker @alcinoe @A_bee I understood that reference.

Although I confess that I did not read Asterix comics as a kid - my primary school French teacher preferred Tintin.

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