gerrymcgovern ,
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"Degrowth calls for an organized slowing down of society, to minimize harm to humans and other species. Degrowth and post-growth proponents conceive economic growth as a major driver of environmental degradation. Beyond a certain scale, the economy is seen to enter into conflict with ecological life-support systems, the costs of growth accelerate, and environmental conflicts multiply."

https://www.cell.com/one-earth/fulltext/S2590-3322(24)00146-5?_returnURL=https%3A%2F%2Flinkinghub.elsevier.com%2Fretrieve%2Fpii%2FS2590332224001465%3Fshowall%3Dtrue

Captain_Jack_Sparrow ,
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@gerrymcgovern

How could we get degrowth in a world led by capitalists, multinational companies and multi billionaires, hell bent on making ever more money ?
Degrowth would surely need wealth to be spread more equally, when the opposite is happening.
So what is your solution to that problem?

breadandcircuses ,
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@Captain_Jack_Sparrow @gerrymcgovern
I have come to the conclusion that fighting against our capitalist rulers in an attempt to overthrow them will never succeed. They are too rich, too powerful, completely unwilling to act rationally.

So our best choice now is to "be the change we want to see in the world," to demonstrate a better way of living. By doing that, we will also prepare ourselves and those we can involve in the effort to survive the coming collapse of modern industrial society and perhaps emerge from the rubble with a chance to help our species move forward.

For more on what we can do, see this series of posts -- https://climatejustice.social/@breadandcircuses/112410879381028836

gerrymcgovern OP ,
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@breadandcircuses
That makes an awful lot of sense to me. The only place I can see positive change coming from is from the community up.

We have to change the conversation from growth is good to don't be a member of the Growth Death Cult.

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KarlHeinzHasliP ,
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@breadandcircuses @Captain_Jack_Sparrow @gerrymcgovern We can change the too rich and too powerful though. Those two properties only exist out of a social relation and can be upended by collective choice.

GhostOnTheHalfShell ,
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The economic pathway we’re on needs to go for more than one reason. The common pattern is everywhere. In the US, we face a housing crisis after so many decades of the suburban experiment, but this is coupled urgency of adaptation to the warmer atmosphere. In poorer regions of the world they face existential crises of subsistence (food, water, housing) because of development, and climate adaptation is need is dire

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GhostOnTheHalfShell ,
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@breadandcircuses @Captain_Jack_Sparrow @gerrymcgovern

In the US, cities have begun to change zoning laws, legalizing the flexibility the US had before the 50s, but there’s one more needed ingredient: finance. The mortgage business was engineered to subsidize suburban housing. It’s not capable of financing the unmet demands for housing rework and until finance is available, the rework will never evolve, the business can’t without $$.

The problems for the global poor are similar.

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GhostOnTheHalfShell ,
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but for local finance, they are stuck.

But in rich or poor world, credit is desperately needed to restore ecology regionally and green towns/cities, but also local self sufficiency is necessary for supply chain disruption resilience. Permaculture elements address this.

Finance is obsessed with energy transition, big expensive, industrial scale development; that’s its design. It is unfit for purpose. We need ground level transformation.

gerrymcgovern OP ,
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@GhostOnTheHalfShell
Absolutely. We must build resilience at a local level. Also, shift culture from individual obsession to community fulfillment.

Finance is obsessed with energy transition because that's where it can make the next quick buck. It has nothing to do with saving environment.

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