samuteki OP ,

But what some people do, shamelessly, purposefully, is to ask themselves what combination of words will most effectively get them closer to maintaining or increasing their power.

They are not arguing with us.
They are jockeying with us.

You have been raised to honor truth.
They have been raised to manipulate it at the drop of a hat.
You will never convince them of anything, because they don't believe in anything—

Except for their right to power.

Except for their right to more power.

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