Neato ,
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Anyone who is undecided is just ok with a felonious president. Or more likely they are for Trump but too embarrassed to say so.

PugJesus ,
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Some people genuinely do not pay attention to current affairs until ten seconds before election day, and then get flustered by the competing narratives. That's an option too.

Carrolade ,

Profound believer in the second amendment and profound supporter of racial justice. Yikes, I really feel for the guy, that's a tough one.

Varyk ,

How is that a tough choice?

First, Biden isn't talking about banning all guns, he wants to regulate assault rifles and institute mandated background checks to stop children from being shot in their own neighborhoods every day.

Then, his administration includes the first black vice president, 25 appointed black judges, wrote that executive order about protecting minority voting rights since they're targeted so often.

On the other side, dumps will say anything to get you to vote for him, and goes back on his promises anytime it's personally inconvenient, so you can't trust anything he says on guns or racial Justice.

Trump has apparently has given zero thought to racial Justice, which shouldn't be surprising to anyone.

Carrolade ,

A hardcore second amendment voter will usually resist any and all measures that restrict firearm possession, often on the basis of slippery slope arguments. Since the basis is rooted in a classic logical fallacy, they can be very difficult to persuade.

You're right though, Biden has been fairly moderate on gun control. So was Obama though, and you remember how they reacted to him?

Varyk ,

I agree about gun zealotry, but if those are your two issues:

  1. Biden has said he does not want to restrict most guns, but he does want to protect children.

Trump instituted gun control measures over his administration, and as with everything else has said he supports gun control and says he doesn't support gun control depending on which crowd he's talking to.

I guess you can consider that a wash.

  1. But racial Justice? Clearly Biden all the way.

On those two points, biden's clearly ahead.

If that guy is still undecided, then he cares significantly more about guns than he cares about racial justice or national leadership.

Carrolade ,

Well, I am not that guy for the record. But if you read the article it said he automatically rejects any candidate that advocates for gun control. So, that means Biden is flat out for him, along with pretty much the whole dem party.

The amusing part to me personally was that such a person would normally just vote gop. But that specific guy cannot, for fairly obvious reasons.

Varyk , (edited )

Biden advocates for gun control and restricted gun access.

Dumps advocates for gun control and restricted gun access.

I think people just assume dumps is pro second amendment since he switched to the Republicans.

Ah well.

grue ,

Trump did more than that; he advocated for simply seizing guns without due process. He's worse than Biden from a second amendment perspective, not equal!

Varyk ,

Thank you, that is a great point.

grue ,

Why the fuck would a hardcore second amendment voter ever consider supporting Donald "take the guns first" Trump, though‽

Beetschnapps ,

Obama signed legislation which expanded gun rights and allowed concealed carry in national parks.

Republicans spent his next 2 terms saying Obama will ban access to guns…

None of this is based in reality.

gravitas_deficiency ,

It’s literally the most obvious choice.

Reagan enacted the assault weapon bans when he was governor of CA in direct reaction to the growing popular power of the Black Panthers. So yeah, even people who actively work against racial justice know exactly what the score is.

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