sqgl , (edited )

Did Gantz attend? He is the likely successor of Netanyahu.

4/5 parties within the coalition attended. Some of those parties would be in any new coalition.
But does attending mean endorsing?

t3rmit3 ,

Been arguing with folks for months that this was the plan all along, and was told how if Israel had wanted to, they would have already.

Feels both good and awful to be proven right about this.

caveman OP ,

That's what I heard Neytaniahu sold on his election campaign: to take Gaza for Israel, and that's what his voters are demanding from him

Zuberi ,

Luckily most of Israel isn't going to vote for him again.

caveman OP ,

But that's what Israeli wants..they will vote on someone who can fullfil the same promise

Zuberi ,

Nah mate. Just not true. Millions of them have been protesting Bibi's horrible leadership decisions here

NoneOfUrBusiness ,

They've been protesting against him because he violated their security and democracy, not because he's committing genocide. 80% of them (including 88% of Jewish Israelis) are perfectly fine with that part.

Zuberi ,

Be careful with the us vs them mentality here.

They're not all genocidal war mongers whether we think that or not.

NoneOfUrBusiness ,

I mean I'm quoting numbers from two weeks ago. I'd love to think that the number of people who support genocide in Israel is less than that, but you can't argue with evidence.

Zuberi ,

I don't even want to partially defend Israel here, but can you show me the 88% that have specifically said it's about security/democracy and not the thousands of deaths?

Because I highly doubt the poll was "safety or dead children?" and 88% said "dead children" yeah?

Fuck the IDF, but don't ALSO spread silly prop

NoneOfUrBusiness , (edited )

They don't need to say it (mostly because nobody is asking that question). Two questions that were asked is "Is the number of deaths in Gaza justified by the war" and "do you think Israel is using adequate or too little force in Gaza". And apparently 88% of Israeli jews think the answer is yes for the former, and 94% think so for the latter. Similarly, only 27% of Israeli Jews support a two-state solution, while 38% think Israel should annex the West Bank with limited Palestinian rights (admittedly I thought this one would be higher).

https://archive.is/PWZ1h

Zuberi ,

The survey was conducted online by the iPanel company on January 8-15, 2024, among 605 interviewees

The stats you are using are correct based on the source.

I just don't think I agree w/ taking the Tel Aviv study of <1k people at face value.

Remember, if you didn't see the >700k marching in DC (not a single television broadcast), why would US media show you the Jewish citizens who are pissed w/ Bibi?

Edit: I appreciate you providing the source though! The New York Times has a pretty heavy swing bias, IMO. I'll include both of the polls mentioned below.

Palestinian Poll from the Article

https://www.pcpsr.org/sites/default/files/Poll%2090%20English%20press%20release%2013%20Dec%202023%20Final%20New.pdf

Israeli Poll from the Article

https://en-social-sciences.tau.ac.il/sites/socsci-english.tau.ac.il/files/media_server/social/peaceindex/2024-01.pdf

t3rmit3 , (edited )

There are tons of US media reporting on protests in Israel against Netanyahu (not all of which are against his policies, of course), but regardless of protests there is a reason he's been reelected so many times, and it's that the progressive Jewish Left in Israel is massively outnumbered by the hardliner ultranationalist and religious Right.

There are huge protests in SF for movements like Land Back (which just last month worked with Berkeleyto return burial land to the Ohlone peoples), but that doesn't mean even 1% of the US is on board with it.

caveman OP ,

This is new for me. I know they are against his methods, but for his goals of taking territory.

Could you show me a source so I can learn that I was mistaken? Thanks

DarkNightoftheSoul ,
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While they have to support their claim that people are protesting, you also have burden of proof for claiming netanyahu made gaza a campaign promise.

t3rmit3 ,

From his reelection in 2022:

Netanyahu’s government published its platform, which stated that “the Jewish people have exclusive and indisputable rights” over the entirety of Israel and the Palestinian territories and will advance settlement construction in the occupied West Bank.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/israel-swears-in-netanyahu-as-prime-minister-most-right-wing-government-in-countrys-history

DarkNightoftheSoul ,
@DarkNightoftheSoul@mander.xyz avatar

yes, this counts.

deadbeef79000 ,

You'd think that, of all the peoples of the world, the one people who'd least want to be, who'd know better, the agents of genocide and forced migration would be der Juden.

xePBMg9 ,

How are they taught about that stuff in Israeli schools? If it's just Germany bad, Jew good. Then that is probably not helpful.

NoneOfUrBusiness ,

Man genocide and forced migration had been the Zionist plan since 1917, and if you let something like a genocide get you behind schedule you won't get any settler colonialism done.

Umbrias ,

It's called "the cycle of violence" not "the self declining line of violence". It's easy to be violent over past suffering.

deadbeef79000 ,

Actually, yeah. It's pretty obvious when you put it in those terms.

I was just hoping that "I wouldn't wish this on my worst enemy" would have more inertia.

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