Dude, I absolutely don't care about Trump. I am not an American citizen and I think Biden is better than Trump because he is a systemic politician. But why are you all so afraid of the redheaded old man?
I give absolutely no fuck who fucked an aging pornstar and in what year. You know the exact dates, it's very good, but what difference does it make to you?
You do know it's about the fact that it was to prevent the story from coming out in an effort to help his election campaign right? And then it wasn't properly documented. It's not that he fucked and paid her afterwards to never talk about it.
He was found guilty of unlawfully influencing the election by means of falsifying documents. It's usually the cover up that gets you in legal trouble. The banging of a porn star is only up to voters and his wife to hold against him. Which the law didn't care about.
You don't have to speak for everyone...this case came to light under your presidential election because Democrats want to democratically rule forever. America is moving towards a one-party dictatorship like the USSR. All these movements, migrants, the hysterical fight for the rights of blacks and sex minorities, finally this lawsuit, are necessary to ensure the Democrats win the election. But...The Republican Party's online donation platform is overwhelmed after Trump's guilty verdict (he only faces a fine). After raising 50 million, the site went down. But Trump also has his own donation site. The Democrats have done a good job of publicizing his campaign. There's nothing to say... Bravo.
The democracy part was when we voted him out 3 years ago and now that he is out of office he is being punished for his crimes. How is that not democratic?
I enjoy the schadenfreude as much as the next guy, but there is a frame in which this kind of confusion does actually make sense.
It's the frame in which you acknowledge that our system of justice isn't about holding everyone equally accountable to the law, it's instead been an institution to keep the poor and marginal in their places- that is, it's about enforcing an unspoken social, class, gender, and racial hierarchy that a lot of the MAGA folks take for granted and really want to defend and uphold.
That is the order they're talking about when they say 'Law and Order'. The order is a social, racial, gender, and class hierarchy, and the law is the means by which the hoi polloi are kept in whatever the powerful in it regard to be their 'rightful places'.
For these people, the idea that the law might actually apply to everyone is an attack on the basis of order as they understand it. Of course they're mad.
As usual it's the pot calling the kettle black. The most blatant US example of a political prosecution in my lifetime is when Trump got John Durham to prosecute two people for reporting him to the FBI. Both of these people merely did exactly what we tell people they're supposed to do: reported suspicious activity to the FBI. Both were accused of telling immaterial lies that were documented exactly nowhere and clearly lacked the kind of evidence that would be needed to justify any other prosecution. In fact, two prosecutors in the DOJ argued that charges shouldn't be brought and one resigned in protest over the prosecutions. Both defendants were acquitted after short deliberations, but only after their lives were overturned and they were savagely attacked in the conservative media.
But no one talks about them because unlike Trump, they don't have the biggest microphone on the planet. Then there's also Trump's blatant pardons of his political allies, which is just as bad of an interference in the judicial process.
What's hard to believe is none of the previous presidents committed any single crime, while this one committed at least 64 and 'nobody knew'. US intelligence agencies lose huge credibility.
I personnally think the trend is to dismiss crimes until someone is finally convicted. Then the dismiss abrubtly ends and prosecution succees fully. Either 0% guilty or 100%.
What's hard to believe is none of the previous presidents committed any single crime, while this one committed at least 64 and 'nobody knew'. US intelligence agencies lose huge credibility.
Eh, I've seen a bunch of "Trump is our first criminal president" memes. Which really requires you to blind yourself to everyone from Nixon and his wiretapping to Obama and his extrajudicial drone-striking.
But he's not the first President to pay out hush money. He's not the first President to abuse his campaign war chest. He's certainly not the first President to cheat on his wife. Trump is simply the first person who has won the presidency and been so poorly politically connected that he's endured a full federalfelony prosecution. That says much more about the role of the criminal justice system than the conduct of any given president.
In a sane and just world, I'm hard pressed to name a President who shouldn't have been thrown behind bars at some point.
And when you consider how many federal indictments have staled out or been dismissed, you begin to see the scope of the problem. The Biden DOJ is toothless in the face of a mafia kingpin. You need the state courts to step in precisely because the federal courts are so stacked in favor of protecting political elites.
Eh, I’ve seen a bunch of “Trump is our first criminal president” memes. Which really requires you to blind yourself to everyone from Nixon and his wiretapping to Obama and his extrajudicial drone-striking.
No it doesn't because Donald is the first proven convicted felon in a court of law. That's just a fact. The rest is basically a Two-Wrongs-Make-a-Right / Tu Quoque / Whataboutism argument that suggests a race-to-the-bottom mindset while people speculate over allegations of former Presidents without actually testing those theories in a court of law and in front of a Jury. We should be gleeful that Lady Justice has grabbed Don by the balls and even the President is no longer above the law — regardless of past actions of Presidents; clearly a new standard has been made now which is a great thing for our country.
Only because none of the other assholes got prosecuted.
That's a flaw in the Good Ole Boy Network of ex-Presidents, where Obama and Bush Jr can have a beer over illegal drone strikes and wiretaps together. It has nothing to do with which Presidents actually committed crimes.
We should be gleeful that Lady Justice has grabbed Don by the balls
Let me know if he serves any prison time. We already learned how Trump skates around financial judgement against him.
Past that, it should be revealing how easy it is to convict these assholes. All 34 counts stuck. Maybe more Presidents should be put on trial, rather than making this particular screwball fascist an exception to the rule.
I personnally think the trend is to dismiss crimes until someone is finally convicted. Then the dismiss abrubtly ends and prosecution succees fully. Either 0% guilty or 100%.
That is how "innocent until proven guilty" is supposed to work.
What's hard to believe is none of the previous presidents committed any single crime, while this one committed at least 64 and 'nobody knew'.
Previous presidents have committed crimes (Clinton committed perjury, Grant was arrested three times, Nixon was part of a criminal conspiracy) but none were convicted of a felony before now. And everybody knew about Trump's crimes, his accomplice was already convicted and served his sentence.
Grant was ticketed for speeding three times, two of which were during The Civil War. Not arrested. The last one was in 1872 during his presidency, and he cited section 1983 of the federal code that had just been passed in 1871, that even a sitting president is not above the law.
No worries, I just happen to know about that because it came to my attention last year that section 1983, as Congress passed the law, but not as was "copied" into the Federal Register, explicitly outlaws Qualified Immunity.
What’s hard to believe here, chud?
Donald Trump was a criminal long before his political career. If a country is dumb enough to elect a criminal as president, what are the odds that criminal will continue doing crime in office?
You understand Donald Trump isn’t a normal guy, right? He’s the head of a crime family.
Now back to /pol with you.
They only reject the legal system when it's Republican politicians getting prosecuted. They're just fine with it when it's immigrants and other minorities getting murdered by police or deported or thrown in prison.
Yes. That's Conservativism. First decide who is good (cishet white Christian males) and who is bad (basically everyone else). Then subjugate the latter group(s) to the benefit of the former. The court system doing something other than that gives the Conservative a visceral level of discomfort.
Right. To us, the phrase "law and order" means a peaceful society that results from everybody obeying the rules. To the MAGA/authoritarian crowd, it means exercising the power of the state (law) to maintain the correct social hierarchy (order). And guess who's on top of that hierarchy?
CNN Senior Legal Analyst Describes How The Trump Conviction Was A Political Hit Job
"The judge donated money... in plain violation of a rule prohibiting New York judges from making political donations—to a pro-Biden, anti-Trump political operation."
Alvin Bragg boasted on the campaign trail in an overwhelmingly Democrat county, “It is a fact that I have sued Trump over 100 times.”
"Most importantly, the DA’s charges against Trump push the outer boundaries of the law and due process."
"The charges against Trump are obscure, and nearly entirely unprecedented. In fact, no state prosecutor — in New York, or Wyoming, or anywhere — has ever charged federal election laws as a direct or predicate state crime, against anyone, for anything. None. Ever."
The DA inflated misdemeanors past the statute of limitations and "electroshocked them back to life" by alleging the falsification of business records was committed 'with intent to commit another crime.'
"Inexcusably, the DA refused to specify what those unlawful means actually were — and the judge declined to force them to pony up — until right before closing arguments. So much for the constitutional obligation to provide notice to the defendant of the accusations against him in advance of trial."
"In these key respects, the charges against Trump aren’t just unusual. They’re bespoke, seemingly crafted individually for the former president and nobody else."
"The Manhattan DA’s employees reportedly have called this the “Zombie Case” because of various legal infirmities, including its bizarre charging mechanism. But it’s better characterized as the Frankenstein Case, cobbled together with ill-fitting parts into an ugly, awkward, but more-or-less functioning contraption that just might ultimately turn on its creator."
“In these key respects, the charges against Trump aren’t just unusual. They’re bespoke, seemingly crafted individually for the former president and nobody else.”
Yeah, the charges of falsifying business documents are so rare in New York. NY has only brought charges 9,800 times since 2015.
The DA inflated misdemeanors past the statute of limitations and "electroshocked them back to life" by alleging the falsification of business records was committed 'with intent to commit another crime.'
Well, what was he falsifying the business records for, then?
Fucking LOL. You cultists are as dumb as fish eating bait off a hook. You will suck anything down. It doesn't even need to make any sense whatsoever.
Everyone notice how not a single thing is cited. This is by design, because they want to make it hard to challenge each and every point. There is obviously zero intent at an honest debate here. It's just something for the people struggling with the cognitive dissonance of believing they are "the party of law an order" while also supporting the only POTUS to ever be tried and convicted of a crime.
He certainly wasn't Dutch Irish. But there were plenty of Caucasians in the Levant some 2000 years ago. He could have just as easily been Ptolemaic as Ethiopian.
Whatever his skin tone, I think its safe to say he was very tan. But, as a charismatic religious demagogue, there's ample reason to suspect he was good looking by the standards of the era - presumably tall, handsome, smooth spoken, and fairly well-groomed.
That requires you to assume the goals of a Christian nation are out of line with the goals of a Roman Empire. And Emperor Constantine certainly didn't seem to think so.
I’m guessing their defense/diversion from all this will be to claiming it was a rigged trial for political purposes and/or talking about other people committing crimes, so why is Trump suddenly getting punished for committing a fake crime?
Well, there are so many Presidents in American history that got away with all their crimes, it really is kind of surreal to see one caught on something so trivial. A real "Al Capone caught by the IRS instead of being a mobster" moment.
He’s caught on a bunch of stuff. This is just the first one to get through trial because of the delay tactics of the judge he appointed in one and the delay tactics of the Supreme Court in another and delays associated with poor judgement in the private lives of the prosecution in another triggering delays.
Oh, yes, I agree that he was terminally stupid on how blatant he acted, both in this and the other charges against him. It is just funny to me how stuff like Watergate and Iran-Contra were never really prosecuted in any meaningful way, and it took a doofus like Trump for it to happen, and the first ever conviction of a president being on something like paperwork and financial flows, instead of, you know, treason, abuse of power (I know those ones are still coming up, fingers crossed for a conviction) or war crimes.
These were crimes committed before becoming president, not acts during their presidential term. He defrauded the American people in order to promote himself for office.
While I certainly do not believe it is infinite, there is something to the Trump/Republican argument that the POTUS shouldn't have to weigh being prosecuted after they leave office in every decision they make. I would expect some kind of leniency if there is a strong belief people think they were acting in the best interest of the country. Which certainly would not have been true about Watergate, but as others have pointed out, he was pardoned before he could be charged.
