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finthechat , in Why is brawl allowed in NHL?

Hockey: fighting is allowed

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DoctorButts , in Why is brawl allowed in NHL?

Well, you said it yourself, the NHL is not the NBA lol.

Context for why they fought in this game:

The red white and blue team is the New York Rangers. The red white and black team is the New Jersey Devils. They are indeed long time divisional rivals. The hatred is real. Also for context, the last time these two teams played, a Rangers player injured a Devils player with a nasty hit; he was challenged to a fight then but refused. So the tension had already built up.

Context for why they were allowed to fight:

Fighting has always been allowed in hockey. Big line brawls like this used to be more common even into the 2000s. They have become rare starting in the 2010s when the NHL meta shifted from "have dedicated face punchers fill out the bottom of the roster because they are scary to play against" to the new meta of "have skilled players even at the bottom of the roster because winning games is more important."

If you're wondering why the officials don't break them up immediately, it's a matter of practicality. There are only 4 on ice officials and there 10 angry dudes punching each other. Best to let them tire themselves out before intervening. Usually they will reach a point where they stop on their own. Also, the referees never break up scrums or fights even if there are only 2-3 guys fighting - this is so they can accurately pay attention to all of the infractions and make the proper penalty calls after it is all settled.

mosiacmango ,

All of this is true, but it's also allowed because the fans like the fights, which keeps them buying tickets.

That's the core reason. The rest of the "practical" reasons you listed could be resolved if the owners really wanted the fights to stop. They dont.

Acters ,

On your point about practicality. I think a big point about not breaking up fights is that they are on ice, which is slippery, and they won't have a good grip on the ground, and on skates so not the most solid footing. I'm not saying it's impossible, I'm just saying it's not a worthwhile risk when both hockey players have full gear vs. a ref with minimal gear.

Plus, the context of it being accepted as part of tradition weighs on why it's not as heavily regulated. If they wanted to, officials can force teams to be disqualified or ban players. Another point is It is more profitable to allow fights. Unless players themselves argue to ban fights for their safety, this will likely stay legal. The fact is, the new meta of having a good team but able to rough up the opposing team is better than it was before. Also quite a bit more enjoyable too.

DoctorButts ,

I'm not saying it's impossible, I'm just saying it's not a worthwhile risk when both hockey players have full gear vs. a ref with minimal gear.

This sounds reasonable, but no. Fights are successfully broken up all the time by the officials. It has gotten really irritating in the last 10 years how quickly they will jump in and separate players. Sometimes they will even jump in too soon, which results in a guy being held by an official but still getting punched by his opponent.

If you are confused by one of my other comments where I say "referees will never break up fights" it's because the refs don't break up fights, but the linesmen do. Refs: guys in striped shirts with an orange armband, linesmen: guys in striped shirts without.

Also everyone saying that the league wants more fighting clearly doesn't follow the NHL. The NHL has been steadily introducing rules over the last decade specifically to decrease the amount of fighting because they are wary of a similar CTE (chronic traumatic encephaly, aka brain damage) controversy that has taken root in the NFL and the WWE and they are afraid of getting their asses sued into the ground.

Acters ,

I am highlighting a limitation. Also, I never saw them break up fights by being able to "carry" or restrain players away from each other like other sports. It's much harder to do on the ice. A lot of times, the linesmen are mostly separating the players by strategically intercepting between the players' line of sight by pushing in between the players. On top of that, the players have enough sense that they should not hurt an official, especially when it's not advantageous back when it was the meta to have brawlers. However, there were moments when the players ignored the linesmen interception and kept going. Small example: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yDkNvuuENwo

Also, I'm not saying the league wants more fights. They want to control those fights because they are profitable for entertainment, IE the fans and surrounding community are entertained by the drama. Having a fight break out for no reason other than to cause harm was not fun or much for entertainment. However, talking smack or telling someone off for bad plays/manners is fun to see.

NeoNachtwaechter ,

a matter of practicality. There are only 4 on ice officials and there 10 angry dudes punching each other.

LMAO you are just saying these referees are weaklings.

Ok so why don't they deal these players a 5 or 6 figure penalty plus a ban for half a year, and their team has to play without spectators at their next home game... it needs to hurt more than one blow in the face.

DoctorButts ,

Damn dude, tell us all you know nothing about hockey without telling us you know nothing about hockey.

BURN , in Went on All today and saw many posts celebrating Sen. Feindtein's recent passing. Why is she so hated on the left?

Since you’re getting troll comments from right wingers I’ll try to give an actual answer

Feinstein was no longer mentally fit to serve in office. She was essentially the pre-cursor to a weekend at Bernie’s setup. She was not cognitively present enough to vote on legislation or even hold a conversation.

People are glad she passed because it means her seat is open to someone who can actually work on policy and benefit their constituents.

Liberals are not exactly a fan of letting the elderly die in office after the RBG situation that ended up with a stacked court when she had the option to retire under Obama.

Also Lemmy has definitely been having more right wing trolls recently and it’s making me want to use the platform less.

Psionicsickness ,

Also Lemmy has definitely been having more right wing trolls recently and it’s making me want to use the platform less.

God forbid your echo chamber get tainted 🙄

GeneralVincent ,

Tainted is a good word for when right wingers join the conversation, thank you

Delusional ,

Just like what they did with the US govt.

Nemo , in hOw sHouLd raNdoM CapITaLizAtiOn soUnd wHen rEad oUt loUd?

A voice randomly changing in pitch.

But I'd rather we all just stop using it.

INHALE_VEGETABLES ,

i wiLl gEt oN thAt WiTH uPmoST urGeNcy!

Chefdano3 , in What's the hype with Stanley cups?
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Wait, you're not taking about hockey?

Thatsalotofpotatoes ,

This is the third post I've seen about Stanley cups and only now did I realize it had nothing to do with hockey. I was very confused how someone had spent $3000 on Stanley cups

TheActualDevil ,

Not a hockey fan, is that because it's too cheap or too expensive?

indepndnt ,

I don't know anything about hockey either, but I'm pretty sure "The Stanley Cup" is their big trophy.

Betch , in Jean Memes
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You mean the jemes?

TexMexBazooka ,

clapping

scytale , in Why Are People Hating on Julian Assange?

From what I've read, it was good at first, then he started cherry picking and only releasing leaks that were convenient for him and aligned with his views.

MotoAsh ,

Who are the ones determining what is "convenient" to Asange and what are their politics? Just because someone will make the accusation does not make it truth.

He's a leaker. He HAS to be selective. He might not even be getting valid info. He might be getting doctored info that would expose his sources if he leaked it, etc, etc. There is every valid reason he has to not publish something that people ignore when they make such accusations.

AnneBonny ,

Wikileaks is accused of not releasing information that would be harmful to the reputation of Russia.

MotoAsh ,

OK? and that magically makes his other leaks invalid?

scytale ,

I don't think people are saying the leaks he released are invalid. What they are saying is that him being selective with what he releases is the problem. If it doesn't align with his political views for example.

PP_BOY_ , in Edward Snowden: Why did he have to leave USA & go into hiding? Where is he anyway? Who is taking care of him? How does he earn money to survive? What is he doing?
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This doesn't really seem like OOTL and more like "I need someone to Google this for me." I usually hate snarky answers like the one I'm writing right now, but come on.

jasep ,
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Snowden later made contact with Glenn Greenwald, a journalist working at The Guardian.[111] He contacted Greenwald anonymously as "Cincinnatus"[112][113] and said he had sensitive documents that he would like to share.[114] Greenwald found the measures that the source asked him to take to secure their communications, such as encrypting email, too annoying to employ. Snowden then contacted

what the fuck, Glenn.

0x4E4F , in Arch Linux is suddenly the butt of a lot of memes?
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No, people just realized Void exists.

kogasa ,
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I fail to see any reason to prefer Void over Arch. Few people really care about using systemd or glibc.

0x4E4F ,
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Ummm... it's faster and more reliable maybe...

And Void also has a glibc version, not just musl. In fact, most users use the glibc version. More advanced users use musl with a glibc chroot.

kogasa ,
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Uh huh.

okamiueru , in Arch Linux is suddenly the butt of a lot of memes?

Blocked most Linux communities on lemmy, as most of them are low hanging dumb image memes that lost their relevancy about 10 years ago. Haven't ran that much into this since.

That said, I use arch, and I'm very happy with it.

dustyData , in Arch Linux is suddenly the butt of a lot of memes?

Arch Linux has always been the butt of a lot of jokes and memes. Anything that becomes popular and has lots of cheerleaders will become a target for jokes. You're just noticing now because it's peaking on attention on the places you look at. It's the natural ebb and flow of memes. It has no rhyme or reason. Trying to predict or explain it is a fool's errand.

Remember, "I use Arch, btw" was born almost the same year Arch was invented. And the first time, it was uttered without a single lick of sarcasm or irony

teawrecks ,

I consider it the Linux version of "How can you tell someone is vegan? They'll tell you."

(I use arch, btw)

SatansMaggotyCumFart ,

How long since you last compiled the kernel?

almar_quigley ,

I thought that was just all Linux users…

Cenzorrll ,

I installed arch back in the day when I was at university. It was neat, but I had classes and needed to be able to get work done and use wifi, so I installed Ubuntu.

Hazor ,

As an Arch-using vegan, ...I have no retort.

(I use arch, btw (also I'm vegan btw))

darreninthenet ,

Are you also an airline pilot by any chance?

insomniac_lemon , (edited ) in Arch Linux is suddenly the butt of a lot of memes?
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I don't know, but I am here for it. I feel the same way, but also it seems unlikely anything will compete with package availability without introducing some other issues. I tried Tumbleweed and didn't like package management there either, specifically because of patterns. Some of my issues might be fixed in a newer install or could be done manually with help via the wiki, like auto-updating mirrors so there never is an issue, but honestly I just haven't bothered.

Well, some of my issue is probably just having DSL internet (6-8Mbps, also up to 3 other people using it) making updating more of a pain than it needs to be (including update frequency, trying other distros). Package sharing might be easier if my house had ethernet hookups, too (I'm using a not-very-good method now, a more official method that may be better was probably bugged when I tried it).

EDIT: I also wouldn't say I can feel the bloat on my system, but I do have some dread about lots of dependencies it seems I can't do much about (seeing a ton of python or KDE packages on update). The bigger issue is that I never have much luck updating the AUR stuff, also no-longer-available stuff (it got a bit better once with a re-install, but now it's back to where it was). I tried flatpaks at one point but I got tired of updating those separately (I don't know if hooks were added later or available manually, though I do wish I could choose major-versions only or some other way for less frequent updates of certain software).

nailoC5 ,

I tried Tumbleweed and didn't like package management there either, specifically because of patterns.

I thought patterns are just meta/group packages. Do they do anything else differently?

The bigger issue is that I never have much luck updating the AUR stuff, also no-longer-available stuff (it got a bit better once with a re-install,

what issues do you have updating them? are the no-longer-available packages orphans?

insomniac_lemon , (edited )
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I thought patterns are just meta/group packages. Do they do anything else differently?

It's been a while, but I remember patterns trying to re-install things that I removed and I didn't like the work-arounds listed. I can't remember what exactly it was, but I don't think it was anything I really needed even with whatever other thing it was grouped with.

Doing a search and it seems other people have been annoyed by patterns because of "recommended" packages, I don't know if it changed though.

what issues do you have updating them?

Some of it is the internet again (especially pulling down things from git that are quite large), some of it is stuff that just fails during building. Basically I can do a system update just fine, but I can't really expect the AUR update to go smoothly. I just pick-and-choose what of the AUR I try to update most of the time, luckily things often just continue working.

are the no-longer-available packages orphans?

That's an issue too, but no in this case I mean packages that have most likely changed names (or maybe removed) so replacements must be manually found. Unless there's some tool I'm unaware of. Otherwise, they will just never be updated, which is often fine. A lot of them are libraries that I'm not even sure about.

nailoC5 ,

I don't know if it changed though.

No, I think that's the default behavior but I believe I read somewhere that there's a way to stop zypp from reinstalling these packages.

Some of it is the internet again (especially pulling down things from git that are quite large), some of it is stuff that just fails during building

Do you know about chaotic-aur? It should solve most of your aur issues. There's no pulling or compiling. When a dependency is removed from the extra repo you wouldn't be able to install the chaotic-aur package until it's manually fixed but I don't think you'll have any issues updating already installed packages.

GeekyOnion OP , in Arch Linux is suddenly the butt of a lot of memes?

Thank you all for your responses! Seems like I'm just having some bias based on changes in my Fediverse viewing habits!

son_named_bort , in What is going on with golf courses being shit down?

Well, there's a lot of trees on most golf courses, which attract birds. Birds have to poop too, and well gravity lead the shit down to the golf courses.

DarkThoughts , in What is going on with golf courses being shit down?

I guess it has to do with the possible seizure of Mar-a-Lago since Trump can't pay up his legal fees. I doubt any of those conservitards ever visited a golf club though.

doc ,

That's not really a possibility either. He's not suffering from lawsuits in the state of Florida. New York, where that bond is owed, doesn't have jurisdiction over Florida to affect his properties there.

Kbin_space_program , (edited )

Mar-A-Lago is in Florida.

The golf course that was at risk is one in New York State.

I think it might be the one that his head lawyer(Alina Habba) conned a victim of years long sexual assault by her(the victim) manager to accept a shitty deal that forces the victim into silence and to accept a fraction of what she is owed. Which, incidentally, is how she became his head lawyer.

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