Please remember we knew all of this about Donald Drumph in 2016, and we allowed The Electoral College to vote him in. This was before he was elected and John Oliver was pleading for us to vote this guy out.
Biden isn't who anyone wants, but if you want to stop having to decide between a shit sandwich and a steaming pile of shit, you have to be constantly vigilant.
Engage on a local level so that RCV or anything other than FPTP voting is enacted. Do the same at your state level. Literally 80+% of the voters would support RCV if it is presented with no political bias, some will recommend some addendums, but will still be fine with the overall idea.
The federal level will follow because they have to or we start exercising our second amendment rights.
Make the government scared of the people, to the point that we can disband the slaver gangs called police.
Not that I've thought a lot about this specific issue, but I just want to mention that intersex babies have been receiving surgeries for decades in order to make them conform to the majority, far before they were capable of having or expressing any opinion on the matter. So I'm going to be really skeptical of people who oppose trans teens requesting surgery when they themselves have been asking for it, and they have the support of their doctors, as it just looks like the fact that they're straying away from normativity makes a lot of people apply an unfair double standard.
Glad you posted this, it reminded me to update my Lemmy content filter! Up to now, I've just filtered out any headline including the word "slam, slammed, or slams." Because those headlines are garbage. Now I've remembered I need to add the word "blast, blasted, and blasts," because those are garbage too. Thanks!!
Cool. Wait until you realize some of those garbage headlines represent great articles though. Obviously not all of them, but it seems very weird to filter out so many words
Nahh, an article can present a point of view we deem to be "correct" while still engaging in clickbait and sensationalism. I'm not interested in clickbait or sensationalism, so I find that my filtering methods do a pretty good job of getting rid of most of the trash.
Biden was never much of a fighter. He's done almost nothing to help while dozens of states pass anti trans legislature. But hey he made it so trans people can join the military again, if they can survive their state that is.
You mean like hoods executive order that was blocked by courts? I’m not saying he’s the biggest trans ally but saying he’s done almost nothing is unfair imo
How many states did he let pass harmful legislation before doing that? Or was the plan always to wait until the election cycle for that order? An election cycle EO that can't pass the courts is indeed almost nothing.
Of course if you remove words you change the context but that's entirely grammatically correct and a common use of that phrase. If you wanna dwell on what those words mean in other context go ahead but that's not saving any trans kids.
If were to assume that EO is Joe fighting back, then he did indeed let those laws pass without fighting back until it was an election season. Context is important and I usually don't have to explain every word like its a middle school English class unless I'm responding to republicans reading my statements in bad faith.
I think in the context of legislation, interpreting "let pass" to mean "allow to be signed into law" is understandable. But I see you just meant it chronologically.
There's a lot to criticize about the dems and Bidens administration, that's for certain. One thing we can say is that even though it hasn't been the best ally to LGBTQ+ community as it could be, the alternative is an enemy and great threat to all marginalized people. Trump will most definitely work to ban any sort of gender affirming care.
The DNC deserves criticism for sure, and I completely agree with calling out it's bullshit. They need to do better and/or we need better options, for sure. They should be our most conservative party in an ideal world.
Criticize, loudly even, just please don't throw away your vote. I'm afraid people's apathy is going to get an actual enemy elected.
I'll be at the polls. As important as the presidential is this year the locals always have a large impact on a lot of non insignificant things, and sometimes massively significant things, as well as the ballot initiatives. In almost any race I can respect the choice of abstention, but if you don't show up for at least the ballot initiatives, the closest thing the US has to direct democracy, then I just think you're not even trying to make democracy work. I know I can't say the gym isn't working if I'm not even trying to use the equipment.
Kids are never offered "life changing surgeries". This doesn't happen.
Evidence very much suggests being trans is a genuine neurological condition that we are born with.
Additionally, getting a diagnosis is a long process (and it's not guaranteed that you'll get one), and then actually getting treatment takes even more time (also not guaranteed).
EDIT: I can't read what the transphobe is saying anymore as they have rightly been banned from the server I'm on. Detransitioning is uncommon, but of course perfectly valid. Typically people detransition because of transphobia or for economic reasons. Have some additional links:
Weird how you left out the links of studies, reports of people that actually do regret it. I mean should we just ignore those people?
If you want kids to be able to make these decisions, you will have to inform them. Properly. Not just paint them a nice picture. That's what you're currently doing. Not informing them and painting nice pink pictures.
It is not sunshine and rainbows for everyone. There are trans people who regret it. Ignoring that fact is being dishonest with yourself and the transcommunity.
The rate of regret for transition is massively lower than almost any other medical intervention. Why do you care so much about this one specific type of intervention, above all others? Why not invest your activism into medical interventions with much higher rates of regret?
And why do you choose to spend time on your pedophilic tendencies/anti-trans activism?
So requesting you be honest and fully inform kids is pedophiliac tendencies? You do get how this makes you look? Right?
Please point out where I mentioned anything anti-trans. Or is this again by requesting honesty and transparency? Again, you do realise how this makes you look? Right?
Judging from the responses and downvotes, I can see this community still doesn't want informed consent....
Well, you're posting anti-trans rhetoric (talking about regret rates without mentioning that they are much lower than almost any others, talking as if people weren't well-informed about the risks during the multi-year process it takes to transition etc). I can quote your whole post back to you if it helps you? But you can just scroll up and read your own comment, it's a neat function of messaging boards.
Implying that the current levels of informed consent aren't enough to properly inform people, and further implying that large amounts of regret exist due to transitioning, is without question anti-trans.
As was mentioned, it's a long process. With still 1%, which is a very conservative estimate, regretting it after all those years, all that information. I feel this should be mentioned.
What you did not mention however was the 13% that stopped transitioning and started detransitioning. The previous 1% only takes into account completed transitions. Since it's a lengthy process, there are many that stop during the process.
That should also be mentioned and the fact that you willingly choose to omit it shows you do not want informed consent.
Wow, you really can't scroll up? Fine, here's your previous comment:
Weird how you left out the links of studies, reports of people that actually do regret it. I mean should we just ignore those people?
If you want kids to be able to make these decisions, you will have to inform them. Properly. Not just paint them a nice picture. That's what you're currently doing. Not informing them and painting nice pink pictures.
It is not sunshine and rainbows for everyone. There are trans people who regret it. Ignoring that fact is being dishonest with yourself and the transcommunity.
Not sure why you're telling me I didn't mention some 13% number, when I didn't mention any numbers at all. Yet it's even more weird that you're not bringing up that even those 13% are lower than most other medical interventions. Again, why do you keep focusing on trans topics, when other medical interventions have this issue to a much larger degree?
Why do you want to diddle small children/spread anti-trans rhetoric?
If your issue is regret of medical interventions, why are you focussing on one of the medical interventions with the lowest regret rate? Why not invest your time in one of the many other interventions with massively bigger regret rates? The easy and obvious answer is that you have issues with trans people, and you haven't given any explanation when I asked you multiple times, strongly supporting that thesis.
Even 13% is much lower than most medical interventions. Why do you not know this? If you do, why do you lie about it?
Why don't you want people to know the truth? Why are you going Elon here? What are you trying to hide?
You are hilarious. Not in a good way. You are incapable of having a normal discussion. You always, without fail go for the ad hominem. Your conduct here today is a disservice to the trans community.
Because there is nothing here to discuss. You bring up the same old tired talking points which are always brought up by transphobes:
"They aren't telling patients about the risks and dangers, I just want them to be properly informed!", when the whole point of the long waiting times and intense process before anything medical happens is explicitly because of this issue. There is no other medical intervention with anywhere close to this amount of information, but it's still not enough, even if you can't put into words why.
"So many people regret transitioning!", when literally almost every other medical intervention has much high regret rates (yes, even higher than the 13% you pulled out of wherever). You're also leaving out that the biggest reason for detransitioning is missing social acceptance.
What other points did you bring up? As I said, it's the usual bullshit, packaged in the usual "just asking questions". If your issue is informed consent or regret rates, why not focus on one of the hundreds of medical interventions with higher rates? Why focus on the one with incredibly low rates?
So you just want to spread knowledge? Again, why not focus on the issues of informed consent and regret rates of the hundreds of medical interventions that are talked about much less? Why do you focus on the one intervention that's doing the best in those areas, and that is already talked about every day?
How very strange and unexpected that, even though you are very interested in informing people about regret rates and informed consent of medical interventions, you've only chosen to actually do so for one of the least problematic interventions following your criteria. I wonder why?
Are you that desperate to be a victim? You'd accuse others, very rudely, without any proof, just so you can play a game of gotcha?
In another post I have mentioned having over 2 decades of experience with troubled youth and young adults. You might find the comment, you might not, I tend to delete comments often.
In my line of work suicide of those we aim to help is a very real possibility. During those years we have lost 11 transitioned young people who explicitly mentioned their new body being a large part of the reason why they took that drastic step. They are not found in the statistics linked in this thread. Other factors did play a part, true. But those are the ones that explicitly mentioned it. A few of those mentioned explicitly how they felt under informed about the negative possibilities. They were mostly told, by people like you, online and in other trans communities, that life will be much better afterwards. Medical professionals downplayed the medical risks, complications, pain, discomfort. Oh they were mentioned, but downplayed.
The worst thing I could wish upon you: may you be treated how you treat others.
In my line of work suicide of those we aim to help is a very real possibility. During those years we have lost 11 transitioned young people who explicitly mentioned their new body being a large part of the reason why they took that drastic step.
I don't think you are telling the truth, but in case you are: I am sorry that this happened, and that both you and the young people went through this.
They are not found in the statistics linked in this thread.
How do you know? Were all those cases not properly reported?
Other factors did play a part, true. But those are the ones that explicitly mentioned it. A few of those mentioned explicitly how they felt under informed about the negative possibilities. They were mostly told, by people like you, online and in other trans communities, that life will be much better afterwards. Medical professionals downplayed the medical risks, complications, pain, discomfort. Oh they were mentioned, but downplayed.
I sincerely hope that you reported those medical professionals for malpractice, as they apparently didn't follow the existing laws and regulations. Did you do that? What came out of it?
The worst thing I could wish upon you: may you be treated how you treat others.
How do you come to terms with the effect your own behavior has on trans people? You are asking to make transitioning even harder, even though the process is already extremely long, especially considering the danger of suicide non-transitioned trans people have. You might have saved those 11 young people from their fate, while condemning hundreds of other young people to suicide by preventing them from transitioning earlier.
Since transitioning already has such a long process before anything happens, and the statistics show a marked decrease in suicide rates while also showing extremely low levels of regret (with most regret being caused by social non-acceptance), you're asking for (and causing) more trans people to die. Sorry, but there's no way around that fact.
They would have known this if they bothered to open the surgery regret rate studies I linked them (but we both know studies won't change their mind). For the lazy it's less than 1% for both transmascs and transfems.
No. You did not. Parents aren't required. Neither is the doctor initially. Psycologist or psychiatrist would be better. They have a better understanding than your run of the mill doctor.
Perhaps I should've been more clear that my response was not aimed only at you, but the others here as well.
What are you talking about? Teens undergo life changing surgery all the time, whether it is for a sports injury, to correct scoliosis, oral surgery, etc.
You're stretching even further now. Most medical care is based on a patient telling a doctor what is bothering them. There's allergies, soft tissue injuries, psychological needs, sleep disorders, digestive problems, eating disorders,learning disabilities, etc. etc. etc.
Teens shouldn't be allowed treatment for any of those? Or will you keep drawing more and more granular distinctions to fit your conclusion?
Let's just take an example that fits your definition: bariatric surgery is 1) surgical 2) not determined by imaging 3) undergone only in consultation with the patient 4) undergone only alongside psychological and lifestyle support 5) related to future health outcomes 6) related to the patient's body image 7) sometimes appropriate in teens/adolescents 8) requires lifelong lifestyle changes 9) not related to an accute injury or illness 10) it is not an urgent lifesaving procedure
It is in every way exactly like gender affirming care except not being related to gender.
So surely you would argue that bariatric surgery should be banned for teens, based on your position. Their brains are still developing so they cannot possibly make such a decision that will impact the rest of their lives. If they still feel like they need it when they are adults, then they can do it then.
Funny how you assume I want to ban it. Seems like a common trend. In which you are identical to the frequenters of r/the_donald. If I don't flatout agree with you, I must heavily oppose you.
Didn't you get the "trans care is a dialog" part? I mean I would love to see your reasoning in how that can be viewed as wanting to ban it. I always love a good show of mental gymnastics.
It is something I often do, to gauge the mindset of a community. Its openness, how prone they are to being offended, hostility, etc.
Posting something similar, adapted to the issues of the_donald for instance, yielded eerily similar results. Accusations, open hostility, bans, etc. Same for some lgb subs.
The open and accepting trans and lgb communities I've posted similar comments were met with understanding, a willingness to educate. They would've responded by pointing out that the 2 statements are not equal, cannot be compared. The 15yo sharing the nudes hasn't spent years talking to professionals about it. While the 15yo contemplating transitioning most probably has, therefore is much more informed and quite possibly can make that decision.
One of the things we try to teach our youngsters is that while you might've had bad experiences in the past, it does not mean every new person you meet will hurt you. Something most people tend to forget.
You have not been banned for your opinions, but for your conduct. Saying deliberately shocking or offensive things to "gauge the mindset of a community" is trolling, and is not allowed here. I hope that after taking a short break from the community you can return to engage more authentically. Please feel free to PM myself or another mod if you have any questions in the meantime.
I gotta say, bariatric surgery sounds pretty bad after googleing it. Its no where near like trans surgery. Though, I personally think both should be banned for minors. I am of the mind that such life altering changes should only be made once someone is of a certian age to be fully responsible.
I do not have faith in teenagers or even young adults to know how to best handle their life when they are so young. Im in my thirties and i barely believe i make the best decision for my own life.
My concern are for the ones who will ultimately regret having made the decision to transition. There just should be a limit to any body modification for minors.
Here is where we differ: I believe that the very smart people who go to school to study these exact issues for many years, practice for decades, review one another's work, and spend a lifetime studying the outcomes of the surgeries are in the best place to decide what should and shouldn't be allowed.
If an individual, their family, and an entire team of doctors determine that something is safe and advisable, I trust that decision much more than my uneducated feelings.
Yeah i agree, im not whole sale against it. But you talk of these highly educated people making these decisions. What about all the morally corrupt parts of life where this can, and i bet is, being abused for nefarious reason.
I just think all major decisions like these should only be made once someone is of age. That way if they were wrong it couldn't be held against anyone in a future lawsuit./s
Hah oh i didnt say a cabal of nefarious doctors. What do you think of people who later regret going through surgery?
I just think body modifications should wait till someone is of age, just like tattoos.
You assume everything is done with the best of intentions. You're either a kid or just ignorant of how fucked up life is. This is why we also shouldnt allow marriage until someone is of age.
Medical treatment is provided on a basis of best practices established by an entire healthcare community including medical practitioners, clinicians, researchers, and institutions. Studies rely on statistical risk models. That's why before you go through any medical treatment, a doctor will tell you that no treatment is without risk.
As a result, every treatment includes a percentage of recipients who experience regret. Gender affirmation surgeries have an exceptionally low regret rate.
Compared to, say, pain medication, there is not really a profit motive for doctors to over-prescribe or over-treat gender affirmation treatments.
The suggestion that a minor should not go through any medically necessary "body modification" procedure, is cruel and untenable. That would mean:
Sexually active teens be categorically denied birth control
Dangerously overweight teens be denied surgeries or other treatment that could add years or decades to their life, as well as prevent knee, hip, and back problems in adulthood (that having the surgery later would not repair)
Student athletes be denied surgical joint repairs that could restore movement and prevent future injury (that could not be performed with the same success rate in adulthood)
Children with congenital heart problems be denied care which could both add years to their life and improve the quality of their childhood
Children who could benefit from ear tubes be forced to face risk of incurable hearing loss
-Children who could benefit from cochlear implants be denied the possibility of hearing until they are 18
Children with juvenile glaucoma be forced to go through childhood with partial blindness, which may become irreversible
Children at risk of lifelong trauma or suicide due to gender dysphoria be denied gender affirming care that can add decades to their life and improve the quality of their childhood
Please stop with the dismissive name-calling and try to think these things through more completely. In all of these cases, medical providers work with a family to assess the risks and needs of a child, make recommendations, and carry out the treatment most likely to have the greatest positive medical impact. The suggestion that anyone outside a child, their family, and their medical providers should have a say in the decision strikes me as arrogant, cruel, and offensive.
This is EXACTLY how it goes! A teen walks into a Doctor's office and says "I'M TRANS!" and the Doctor gets their Scissor and cuts off their Penis without ANY TESTING or THERAPY or TRANSITIONAL PERIODS whatsoever!
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Circumcision (genital mutilation) on infants is widely practiced, thus logically it must be okay. This article asserts Biden says gender affirming surgery should be delayed until 18 years old (not okay on infants)
jfc what kind of sacrifice do I need to make to what ancient diety to get him to step down?
I think we gotta have a conversation as a society about when the hand over the reins to the kids. I'm in my 30's and glad life expectancy peaked cause seeing the gerontocracy from this end is horrifying.
