Scientists push new paradigm of animal consciousness, saying even insects may be sentient ( www.nbcnews.com )

Far more animals than previously thought likely have consciousness, top scientists say in a new declaration — including fish, lobsters and octopus.

Bees play by rolling wooden balls — apparently for fun. The cleaner wrasse fish appears to recognize its own visage in an underwater mirror. Octopuses seem to react to anesthetic drugs and will avoid settings where they likely experienced past pain. 

All three of these discoveries came in the last five years — indications that the more scientists test animals, the more they find that many species may have inner lives and be sentient. A surprising range of creatures have shown evidence of conscious thought or experience, including insects, fish and some crustaceans. 

That has prompted a group of top researchers on animal cognition to publish a new pronouncement that they hope will transform how scientists and society view — and care — for animals. 

Nearly 40 researchers signed “The New York Declaration on Animal Consciousness,” which was first presented at a conference at New York University on Friday morning. It marks a pivotal moment, as a flood of research on animal cognition collides with debates over how various species ought to be treated.

juicy ,

In the 17th century, the French philosopher René Descartes argued that animals were merely “material automata” — lacking souls or consciousness.

I believe we're all "material automata." The mistake isn't thinking animals are more primitive than they are, but thinking we are more sophisticated than we are. We're nothing special.

cmeu ,

This is self evident to any animal lover

jaemo ,

It's self evident to anyone not plagued by speciesism, regardless of their feelings about animals; I don't think we ought to allow that much latitude to opt-out of the obvious moral consequences of this truth.

wolfeh ,
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What was obvious to most of us as kids (and what was attempted to be beaten out of us as kids) is now being accepted by scientists. Love it.

daltotron ,

IS veganism the real solution here, or is the real solution the all-artificial, all-synthetic diet? Me personally, I'm going to down this jug of red 40, and then I think I'll get back to you

capem ,

Veganism is the solution, yes.

Future generations will look back on us like we were crazy and barbaric for eating meat.

TIMMAY ,

I agree that veganism is/could be a good solution moving forward. I strongly disagree that eating meat can be considered barbaric, as it is completely natural and present in every corner of the animal kingdom. Now, how we treat the animals we get that meat from is absolutely barbaric and should be considered so, but I don't think meat eating itself should be villainized, at least in a retrospective sense.

festus ,

Just because something is natural doesn't mean it isn't barbaric. Male lions will regularly kill cubs to make the mother ready for sex - that's natural but we'd never accept (correctly) a human doing that.

TIMMAY ,

I understand your point but I dont think that the male lion's proclivity for infanticide is equivalent to human life simply because that is not a typical (i.e. natural) aspect of human society

yetAnotherUser ,

Most Stone Age human societies routinely practiced infanticide, and estimates of children killed by infanticide in the Mesolithic and Neolithic eras vary from 15 to 50 percent. Infanticide continued to be common in most societies after the historical era began, including ancient Greece, ancient Rome, the Phoenicians, ancient China, ancient Japan, Pre-Islamic Arabia, Aboriginal Australia, Native Americans, and Native Alaskans.

Wikipedia: Infanticide

SlothMama ,

I've always thought this, and thought it strange we assumed other creatures experienced lesser levels of sentience.

capem ,

Vegans are well aware of this phenomenon.

People will tend to wave away atrocities by saying the victims "can't feel it" or "don't know what's going on."

We see it all the time in things like the treatment of indigenous people and the mutilation of baby's genitals.

gedaliyah Mod ,
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This raises some interesting questions. The premise of these scientists is that consciousness can be quantified empirically. Yet many of the tests described in this article can be passed by machines. Does that mean that the scientists who signed the declaration consider some smart devices to demonstrate consciousness? And what are the implications?

chemicalwonka ,
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so it's time to stop masturbating with my dog in the room

naevaTheRat ,
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They're conscious, not a prude.

beefbot ,

I mean your dog IS just waiting for some “food” to fall on the floor AAAAND I’ll show myself out

TokenBoomer ,

That’s not what Kurt Cobain told me.

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