Cheradenine ,

https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/13f6b2fe-300e-4270-a6b2-49747cabf697.jpeg

They really don't like mediabiasfactcheck over there

Thcdenton ,

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/143c182b-3168-4a3e-bf1b-2c701ec94d78.gif

praise_idleness ,

What a clown. How are they different from Trump supporting nutbags?

barsquid ,

They want nominally left authoritarianism instead of explicitly right authoritarianism. As long as the state claims to be "socialist" they'll defend whatever it does, even if it has economic "characteristics" like an ability to produce hundreds of billionaires. Maybe other superficial differences like they hate Uyghurs instead of Latinos.

mysticpickle ,

Lol let me guess lemmy.ml? Surprised we haven't defederated from them yet. It's pretty much the new hexbear

spujb OP ,

Big instances straight up defederating does run the risk of causing a mass migration like with Hexbear, throwing ultra mega instances like .world into further moderation turmoil.

So that’s a choice that has to be made with care, though not a terrible one in the long term so long as the short term repercussions can be handled.

In the meantime I like reccomending folks join small instances with a defederation list and mod team they like (like mine). 🙂

mysticpickle ,

I'm not Canadian, the only reason I picked lemmy.ca was because they defederated from hexbear good and early :o

barsquid ,

That does show good judgement.

YeetPics ,
@YeetPics@mander.xyz avatar

That filth goes to wherever they can troll people. The minute we ban .ml you'll see blahaj become the cesspit.

Varyk , (edited )

I've been getting truly bizarre bans from them for a long time.

My favorite one was "orientalism" because I was explaining the basic complexity of translation between Mandarin and English as an example of how bizarre and complex translation is between all languages.

I banned lemmy.ml finally, otherwise you have to copy paste media bias fast check and dictionary definitions constantly, and so few of them can read in the first place it's barely worth it.

mozz Admin ,
mozz avatar

I banned lemmy.ml finally

A wise decision

I have quite a bit of patience (most days) to talk with someone who is stubbornly refusing to engage with the conversation in a way that would enable factual progress to be made, but when they are banning you / deleting you for making sense that they don’t want you to make, there’s not much to do but to look for the door.

Varyk ,

Yea. I did have fun there for a while, because they're all looking to spend time arguing about literally anything, but like you said, it's extremely frustrating when the mod invades a thread about EV auto repair and bans you for a month because "[bigotry]this user hates commuting to work" or something equally absurd, baseless and unrelated.

glitchdx ,

I keep hearing about how bad lemmy.ml is, but I just don't get it. They've got a pretty ok linux community, and the political discussions from what I've seen tend to be mostly civil even if I don't agree with some of their opinions. Apparently there's ongoing drama about an overly banhappy moderator (which they're allegedly dealing with), but that happens sometimes even in good communities.

The way that lemmy.ml is talked about, I expect a level of insanity comparable to /r/conservative on reddit, so what am I missing?

Varyk , (edited )

A few things seem pretty stark.

  1. Definitely crappy mods banning people across communities for bizarre or literally no reason, like not even having posted there. Those bans happen constantly and randomly.

The mods also remove posts constantly and arbitrarily.

ml mods also span literally dozens of communities, using different usernames so that they control huge parts of ml.

So if they don't like your brownie recipe in the cooking ml community, they ban you for months across all two dozen communities that they moderate.

There are crappy mods everywhere, but ml mods aren't even pretending to develop or maintain communities, they're a very small group of assholes controlling the largest communities pushing their weight around for fun

This results in stagnant, circle jerk communities that feel very stale.

  1. There's no content moderation, so you have to constantly point out that headlines they're copying and pasting are factually incorrect before a conversation can begin.

This also results in stale, unproductive threads.

On the off chance you do stumble across a good conversation, it's surrounded by a much higher rate of boring fundamental geography where you have to prove that South Korea is actually a country before the person you're talking to will even accept the news article written about South Korea is real.

  1. And then the communities are extremely toxic.

Since the mods communities don't have to follow any rules except being nice or listening to the mods that you are personal friends with, you can explicitly personally insult people who disagree with you and the mods will do nothing about it even though that's explicitly against the rules and it diminishes productive conversation.

Especially if that user is friends with one of the shitty mods, they'll just point you out and you'll be automatically banned because their cousin doesn't like your username or something.

Those are three big ones off the top of my head that I personally don't like about ml

  1. Since I blocked all of the ml news sites, the quality of the news articles and the discussions about the articles is like night and day.

The ml "news" is often ridiculous biased nonsense that you can't even address other than "That's an objectively false statement" or " The article says nothing of relevance at all and the headline is irrelevant to the content of the article".

After blocking ml, the news on lemmy went from like 30% legitimate to 70% legitimate in a flash.

I didn't do the math, but I do feel like I'm coming across twice as many relevant news articles as I was before and people are making intelligent, considered comments in those communities.

Not so in ml

PugJesus ,
@PugJesus@lemmy.world avatar

Wow, that's... bizarre reasoning.

spujb OP ,

it’s a winning new argumentation meta!

  • i believe xyz
  • “prove it lmao”
  • [citation for xyz]
  • “wow outsourcing critical thinking much? this mf can’t even think for themselves 🤣🤣🤡”

instant w’s, no skill required

mozz Admin ,
mozz avatar

"Okay, sounds good. Here is my own critical thinking backed up with some primary sources."

Believe it or not, ban, right away. We have the best users in the world because of ban.

SkyezOpen ,

Your mistake is citing western media. Also anything that isn't state propaganda is western media.

turtlepower ,
@turtlepower@lemm.ee avatar

Tankies don't like facts.

NOT_RICK ,
@NOT_RICK@lemmy.world avatar

Media bias fact check cites the reasoning behind their determinations so you can decide for yourself if their assessments hold water or not.

YourPrivatHater ,
@YourPrivatHater@ani.social avatar

Oh wow wtf

spujb OP ,

right! like i never post here but this was so blatant i had to share. 😅😅

YourPrivatHater ,
@YourPrivatHater@ani.social avatar

Well seems like I've been avoiding the worst part of lemmy so far, and what i have seen is already makes me question to leave again.

spujb OP ,

join an instance like mine that defederates both ml instances 😉 i just check the modlogs on occasion for the popcorn & tea

YourPrivatHater ,
@YourPrivatHater@ani.social avatar

I think mine does as well, at least i haven't seen their shit.

Ok, note to self: .ml is evil

spujb OP ,

looks like they defederate you, actually 🕊️

https://defed.xyz/check?name=ani.social&software=lemmy%2Cmastodon%2Cmisskey%2Cmbin%2Cpleroma%2Cakkoma%2Cfriendica

YourPrivatHater ,
@YourPrivatHater@ani.social avatar

lol well nothing of value lost apparently.

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