Defederate lemmynsfw.com?

The admins on lemmynsfw.com have decided to allow "non-IRL loli", i.e. drawn porn involving children/teenagers. (Post: https://lemmynsfw.com/post/29633).

Irrelevant of the moral issues that this poses, such content is illegal in many countries (e.g the UK). Continuing to federate with lemmynsfw.com will put users at risk of significant legal repercussions.

Please would the admins consider defederating unless lemmynsfw change their policy.

UPDATE: The lemmynsfw admins posted an clarification here: https://lemmynsfw.com/post/29826. My original argument for defederating doesn't stand any more.

ruud Mod ,
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If any illegal content would be posted there, let us know. If it's 1 community, we can block the community. If it's all over the place, we can defederate.
But I see defederation as a last resort. If there are other ways to keep our server safe I prefer that.

AndreTelevise ,
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They did make a poll and then later announced they'll be banning underage anime art and IRL imagery . But not art of cute/short characters because it's impossible to discern if they're over 18 or not. It's the whole Pokemon debate all over again.

WhoRoger ,
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2 weeks ago: Lemmy is so amazing, create an account anywhere and you can access everything! It's like forums but better!

Now: defederate >:(

Ugh. I get the concern in scenarios like this, but in the last couple of days every instance has calls to defederate from this or that. Eventually it's just gonna be small islands of "very compatible" instances.

Well, guess it's back to making separate accounts for everything!

bdonvr ,

That's a bit dramatic. Most of the big instances will stay federated with most of the others.

Some topics that are just too intolerable to the general population will get isolated. Pedo content, Nazis, etc. if you feel you need to make a second account to go participate in those things, well you do you I guess...

WhoRoger ,
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Well, Beehaw already defederated from lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works, a few fairly normal instances don't federate with lemmy.ml, even more don't federate with lemmigrad, calls to defed from lemmynsfw were there from its very first day, never mind burggit.

Like, okay I get it that it's not a drop-in Reddit replacement and instance owners can do whatever they like - but I still wonder where it leads at the end.

bdonvr ,

Well lemmy.ml is run by pretty much the same people as lemmygrad. Before the Reddit drama .ml was filled with mostly the same kind of politics. They chose the .ml extension to signify Marxism-Leninism I believe. So it's not that surprising that some have blocked them.

But anyway, where does it lead? We're just in flux. Everyone is figuring everything out. Instances will stabilize. Norms will be established. Everything will be fine. Some pockets will get isolated, but I believe the vast majority will stay together. Once in a while there will be some drama, some splits and spats. It'll be fine, people will shift. Balance will return.

WhoRoger ,
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Well, maybe. I'm just skeptical and feel that people have more of a tendency to isolate their islands rather than connect.

And once the disconnect happens, it's difficult to reverse.

Maybe I'm wrong. Guess we'll see.

On the other hand, there's the advantage that if one finds "their own" instance, they are free to speak out their mind, while in the big melting pot there's always a risk of offending somebody by just being a little edgy. Whether that's actually a good thing...

Crackhappy ,
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Defederation leads to echo chambers. I've certainly had enough of that in Reddit!

redeyedstranger ,

I wish there was a way to exclude the whole instance from my personal feed without requiring admins to defederate it. Right now I have to play whackamole with new communities popping up. And it's not just the NSFW stuff.

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