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ZDL Mod , (edited ) in (WEEKLY) Words, Words, Words

I think anything that I could say on this subject has already been said with far greater clarity by Orwell. Should that not be enough, or if you'd like it worded in a more punchy way, Northrop Frye has got you covered.

AceTKen OP Mod ,
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I've read Orwell and fully agree.

I hadn't seen that column from Frye however - his statement about levels of language and thinking akin to levels of math was something I hadn't seen put into words before and really enjoyed!

AceTKen OP Mod , (edited ) in (WEEKLY) Words, Words, Words
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Words are wonderful and descriptive when you know how to use them and I’ve always felt that there is no perfect synonym for most. If you study language (at least in English), some really strange shit has happened over the last 20 years or so. Language via political pushes has happened way more often than any time I can find throughout recorded history thanks to the internet and flat-mass culture.

Left-wing language seems to have been pushed to obfuscate, and right-wing wording is pushed towards blame. Either way, linguistically it makes zero fucking sense sometimes. Broadly applying misunderstood terms has always felt like a dumbing-down to me (see the recent breakage of the word "literally") and I feel it only hurts discussion and understanding of others.

For more function and clarity, I wish we created more terminology for edge cases instead of breaking specificity to apply to everything. As a reminder, I'm not here to spread my ideas, I'm here to discuss all ideas. Feel free to pick these apart!

Some examples (and please don't be offended, I'm speaking about words and their usage, not accusing or maligning anyone):

  1. Bigot - This is a massively overused word that is only partially understood since it became a slang. Why? Because the definition is "a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices."
    So by definition it is anyone not accepting of other ideas, no matter how dumb those ideas may be. Vehemently don't like anti-vaxxers, flat Earthers, liberals, leftists, the religious, atheists, Nazis, or conservatives? You're the textbook definition of a bigot. This makes the word incredibly easy to overuse by anyone, because damn near everyone is a bigot about something, but you're intended to simply intuit the kind of bigot the user doesn't like from the usage and assume it's an insult.

  2. Gender - (Edited from our Gender weekly topic) I still don't understand the purpose of gender beyond a useless classification akin to classifying people by hair colour and the definition doesn't help. Take trans issues, for instance. If you are "transgender," that means “I changed my gender” which in turn means… nothing because gender is so effusive. Even if it indicates change, then it changed from what to what? Does it mean you had surgery? Does it change daily? Maybe! But conversationally, it seems to only serve to mask things about a person rather than clarify them - it’s a useless term.
    On the other end, the term “trans-woman / man” makes sense. You immediately get more information about someone upon hearing it. It is additive instead of obfuscating language and means that that person is one sex, but presenting another. Easy, more accurate, and as a bonus, would sidestep some needless culture-war bullshit instead of wallowing in it.

  3. Retarded - An obvious one, but why is that? We all know that it was a medical term and became an insult, but so were the words "dumb," "dork," "idiot," and "imbecile." Once it became a mild slur, people stopped using "retarded" as a descriptor and started using "special." Then "special" became a pejorative. Quite literally any word implying that someone is less intellectually-abled is available as an insult. Really, I'd like to understand it, but someone already said it much better than I could.

  4. Fascist - Seems to be a very popular slang among leftist communities from what I've seen and not really used much by the right wing (and yes, I can warrant a guess as to why some may think that is). Tends to mean "bossy / slightly less leftist than me / right-wing / independent / centrists that disagree with me on this particular issue." I've had this entire sub reported for being "fascist" according to one user despite not adhering to any of the values that make up the definition and quite literally upholding the polar opposite values in most cases. Funnily enough, if you wanted to be fascist, you wouldn't discuss things and encourage discussion with people with varied takes on a situation, you'd try to silence opposition.

  5. Centrist - (From our weekly topic on Centrism / Independents) If someone says that they are “centrist” they are not telling you that they base all of their opinions on being dead-centre in the middle of the US "Left" and "Right" positions. That would be an astoundingly stupid position to undertake. Centrists are not a cohesive group and each have their own ideas - they may be a centrist because they take many positions that don't adhere strictly to party lines. I think they only reason this take is as popular as it is on Lemmy is because people like to bad-faith strawman any arguments that aren't theirs. It's much easier to insult someone than it is to understand them.

I know that humans play with words and that language moves, but feel these are examples of political movement of words instead of natural linguistic movement. It's certainly not an exhaustive list, just a few off the top of my head to test the waters.

ZDL Mod ,

OK, so I did a bit of research (as is my obsessive self's wont) and can answer for "gender".

Our modern understanding of sexual matters is far more subtle and nuanced than the old-fashioned notions most of us grew up with¹. What follows is a simplified take on things. The reality is more complicated and has many more axes than I'm highlighting.

At the lay level you can think of there being three axes of sex-related issues:

  1. Sex. This is whether you're dangling wedding tackle or not. Your physical sexual characteristics.
  2. Orientation. This is the sex (or, more broadly, gender for which q.v.) you are attracted to for sexual activity.
  3. Gender. This is the mental model you have of which sex you are.

Gender is in most cases oriented to match your sex (cisgender) and in opposition to your orientation (heterosexual). Because, however, the body, and various parts of the brain grow at different times, it's possible for these three axes to differ due to hormonal differences in the mother's body (external factors) or to activated genetic influences (a mix of external and internal factors). If one of these factors activates at one point in development, the part of the brain that regulates sexual desire flips the switch and your orientation is different². If one of them activates at another point in development, the part of the brain that models your internal view of your sex flips and you now have that thing called "gender dysphoria".

And after literally centuries of trying to "fix" people with gender dysphoria through abuse, through religious counselling (c.f. "abuse"), and through therapy, it's pretty much well-established that gender dysphoria has no talking (nor abusive) "solution". Thus the kindest thing to do is to let people whose gender doesn't match their physical sex to present the gender they feel themselves to be by behaviour, manner of dress, and ultimately, as far as is practical, physically. Anything else is abusive and cruel.

Note, again, I stress this is the very simplified model, and it's filtered through my inexpert, non-practitioner understanding of things. (I'm open to correction by those with actual expertise in the field, obviously!) As such it doesn't address the huge forest of orientations (which I alluded to in the footnote below), it doesn't address intersex issues, and it doesn't address gender issues like the "non-binary". And indeed I don't, to cite Orwell again, "bellyfeel" gender dysphoria, enbies, aces, etc. … but in the end it doesn't fucking matter. There is literally zero impact on me if someone wants to call themselves "non-binary" or "trans" or "ace" or whatever. So even if I don't "get" it, what I do "get" is that these people are profoundly unhappy in the circumstances they find themselves in and if transitioning helps them, all the fucking power in the world to them!


¹ Why "most of us"? Because there are cultures out there that have more nuanced models than the strict binary. Look up terms like "hijra" for the Indian sub-continent, the role of eunuchs, M→F gender-swapping actors, and F→M cross-dressing characters in heroic lore in ancient China, the กะเทย/kathoey of Thailand, the whole allure of "fox spirits" all over the east Asian sphere, the "two-spirit" peoples of North American natives, etc.

² For instance that part of my brain flipped me to a "2" on the old-timey Kinsey scale (nominally heterosexual), though on more modern classifications that the kiddies would use I'd be a het-leaning pansexual.

MacNCheezus ,
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Great analysis, especially on the word bigot, which is indeed massively overused in contemporary discourse. Brings to mind that old adage "whenever you point a finger at someone, there's three fingers pointing back to you".

As for fascist, this seems to be a blanket term people like to apply to any circumstance in which a set of rules prevents them from simply living in the moment and doing whatever they feel like, regardless of whether these rules are strictly exclusionary or not. As you point out correctly, actual fascists not only have strict rules about what is acceptable and what isn't, but they'll enforce them rigorously and rarely if ever give you a second chance to cross them. With a fascist, any mistake is an immediate death penalty. In that sense, it also applies to communists (see lemmy.ml moderation for a good example of this).

To give a counterexample of this, a lot of leftists like to call the police fascist because they can and will lock you up if they find you doing something they don't approve of. This might appear to fit the above definition on the surface, but it ignores the fact that they are still bound by the law and have to make their case before a judge if they want to keep you behind bars for longer than 48 hours (or whatever the state-mandated maximum lockup time is). If they cannot convince the judge that you should receive further punishment, they HAVE to let you go, whether they want to or not. While there are certainly edge cases in which this CAN result in fascism (such as the police officer and judge being cousins), it is generally the result of corruption and not the norm.

AceTKen Mod , (edited ) in How to make a company not suck
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Gah! I missed this thread. Hope it's not too late to contribute. I am the C.E.O. (and an Economist) of a medium-sized I.T. firm in Canada and designed the company to be as ethical as it could possibly be from the ground up.

  • All employees have equal votes after their initial 3 months is up in any part of the company that they are engaged in. I can (and have) been outvoted.
  • After employees are here long enough (a few years), they can purchase shares if they like.
  • I am the lowest paid full-time employee at the company by design. I do not take dividends.
  • We operate on a Matrix org chart meaning that the “boss” on every project changes based on who is best suited to lead it and who has experience in that area.
  • We have it in our charter that there are never any outside shareholders allowed. If you leave the company, your shares are purchased by the company for current market value. This includes myself. This is why employees owning shares is a good idea; it becomes a retirement plan. Unlike most corporations, we don’t want solely financially invested shareholders as they’re in business to extract value. They are parasites.
  • We have acquired other companies. We have never had to pay for one. Our procedures are so thorough and ticket counts so astronomically low compared with other I.T. companies (which are called MSPs) due to our subsystems and customizations that they literally give themselves to us.
  • We are as environmentally conscious as we can be. We redo and donate old systems to nonprofits and schools where we can. The only waste we put out is utterly dead hardware - no forced upgrade cycle. Electricity bills also drop dramatically at clients we take over due to more efficient machine use.
  • During COVID, we gave away over $500k in free support. I figured it was more important that our nonprofit clients stay open than we stay open.
  • We have a full FOSS stack that we can deploy if a company is open to it (and would like to save a bit of cash to boot).
  • In nearly ten years, we’ve never had an employee leave, and never had a client leave (well, we had one restaurant client close during COVID, but I don’t count that).
  • We have full benefits.
  • We have zero interest in “infinite growth” as it’s not a functional model. We have turned down clients because they don’t “get” us and would be a headache for our staff.
  • Our current goal is a 9-5 (not 8-5), four-day workweek for all staff.

I understand that not every business owner is “good.” I believe that with proper regulation, however, we can make them at least behave way, way the fuck better than they do now. It’s what I call Social Capitalism and it’s exceedingly functional from my experience.

I’ve built this model out in hopes it will catch on. I feel that if most companies operated under Social Capitalism that we’d be substantially better off. Certain aspects of it are so important and such a step up from the norm that I don’t understand how they weren’t obvious to other owners. But… greed I guess. Greed hurts every system it’s in.

Also of interest, we don’t have an issue with The Peter Principle as you’re never forced to move out of a position of competence or interest. You’re not salary-limited simply because you don’t want to be a manager; in fact, there are no managers.

blackstampede OP ,

I sent you a DM. I'd like to set up a meeting if you're willing.

HelloHotel , in (WEEKLY) Division
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Compassion is the goal, honesty is a derivitive goal.

BCsven , (edited ) in How to make a company not suck

There is an Open Science platform already being taken advantage of for researchers to pull data from other researchers to stop replication and accelerate science. Check your competition, because if there is already an initiative you will have to cut costs to compete.

ProbablyBaysean , in How to make a company not suck

Regarding "retaining control" there are a number of stakeholders that almost never "retain control".

  • customers have no direct control over your strategic direction, but they have indirect vote with dollars. Companies will often hire a "FP&A analyst" to try to guess the trends and the ways that a customer will need to be, but often you need straight up contact with customers (interview a random 25 customers each quarter about questions key to your competencies and areas of frustration before the FP&A guy starts crunching numbers and saying that "this is where the market is" in a garbage in and garbage out manner)
  • employees (not management) have no direct control over your strategic direction, but they have an indirect effect on productivity and profits. In my opinion, there should be a benefit like "donation to a office worker union" that represents employees but does not actually make them salt/unionize in your office unless you start the path of enshittification.
  • regulators have no direct control over your strategic direction, but they can dry up your supply or your demand with hurdles to jump over. Spending a little bit of money to have a seat at the table in regulations that are directly applicable to your business is an important civic duty of businesses. If you have legal counsel on a retainer, then they should be able to give you a summary of laws and regs that are being considered so you can make your voice heard.
  • vendors have no direct control over your strategic direction, but they can produce synergies or referrals if you treat them right. Keeping a pulse on your vendors and being willing to take an insurance policy out incase a crucial vendor will cause you to lose revenue if they fail is a good business.
  • Hedge against stupid risk - try to match your variable revenues to variable expenses. Also try to match your fixed revenues to fixed expenses. Example: if you have a lease on a building that costs a fixed amount no matter what monthly, then try to have that office serve recurring contract customers at least equal to the cost of rent. You can then spend the rest of capacity on Variable revenue that correlates closer to the variable expenses like salaries of salespeople.
ZDL Mod , (edited ) in How to make a company not suck

As stated by other people here, the first rule is simple:

  1. Do not accept outside investment. Ever. Plan your business through organic growth, not through investors.

But aside from that, there are other things to consider.

  1. Inspect your incentives. Enshittification is the inevitable outcome of perverse incentives. This means don't pay anybody based on share performance in any form, for example: there's too many ways to briefly boost share values in ways that can be gamed. (This is true whether the company is private or public.) Pay by performance, yes, but make sure that you're measuring real performance, not short-term hits that cause long-term pain.

  2. Foster a culture of equality. Don't be an arrogant asshole that says "I'm the boss, so I'm smarter than you". The people who do the actual work for you often know far more than you do about the fine details of the company's operations; listen to them with an open mind and set aside your ego. They may save your company. As an example of this, I told my boss back in 2021 that we needed to stop taking American clients. He listened to my (counter-intuitive) advice and did a modified thing of what I'd recommended. We kept the ones we had, but we simply stopped taking new American business and instead branched out into other countries. I think that has made us more competitive in our little niche now that the USA has become a toxic shithole that other companies are joining us in avoiding: we already have relationships in the countries they'd avoided.)

  3. Develop a fine touch for management. Some people need close management (usually junior people): make sure you provide it to them. Some people need a light touch in management: back off and let them work independently, just monitor their progress and offer minor course correction here and there. Some people need micromanagement: let them go (humanely) because this is not a fit for their talents. In the end management is a people skill, not a technical one. If you lack people skills, hire a manager who has them; don't try it yourself.

  4. In any conflict between your employees and a customer, consider carefully: one customer who is unhappy will badmouth you to a few friends. One employee who is unhappy will generate a dozen or more unhappy customers. If you throw your employee under the bus in such a conflict, you will have an unhappy employee (or more than one!). If the employee is in the right, support them. If the employee is in the wrong, guide them. Don't throw them under the bus.

  5. Related: remember that you can (and should!) fire some customers. There are customers who will generate nothing but horrible drama for your company; drop them. Send them to your competition if they're really bad and you hate your competition enough. Personal anecdote time again: we had a customer who felt that by paying us he was entitled to micromanage every step of our process. He was constantly calling in and demanding people drop work to cater to him. Finally our department manager compiled a document that listed each time he'd done that in the past 30 days, estimated the direct cost in time and the indirect cost in lost productivity attributable to his behaviour. It outweighed (by far!) the amount of money he was bringing in. My then-boss called him up on the phone and told him that we would not be continuing in the contract; that he could take his business elsewhere. (Weirdly enough the people who'd been hounded by this asshole were extremely loyal to said boss later when business took a downturn.)

  6. Never, ever, drop the "we're a family" line. No business is your family and attempts to make it a family are just plain-old abuse. Your business is a place of employment. The people you hire have their own lives outside that business with their own family, their own friends, and their own time. Do not try to encroach on that space for cynical purposes like getting unpaid labour out of them. It may work in the short term, but it leads to burnout, embitterment, and backlash. As soon as I see "we're a family" in business, these days, I start looking for another job.

  7. Related: don't ever demand free labour. Either hire enough people to do the work, or pay the overtime. I did marketing for a software company in Ottawa and watched as they sucked the life out of their developers by not only forcing overtime, but having that overtime be caused by the developers having to do mindless, bureaucratic make-work like scheduling their own meeting spaces and times, making their own copies, etc. (They had developers being paid in high five figures standing in front of seriously intimidating copying machines and trying to figure them out instead of having someone paid in low five figures doing the work for them expertly.) For the cost of a single person paid in low five figures they could have freed the developers to do the work they're actually there to perform all within the span of an ordinary workday. Instead they did the "penny wise, pound foolish" thing of grinding their developers into hamburger, burning them out, and losing them. Pay for your excess labour or, even better, run your business intelligently so that you don't have to!

Baggie , in How to make a company not suck

The only company I can think of off the top of my head that hasn't had this issue is valve. Like they obviously aren't perfect, but they are consistent and don't cash in user trust for short term profit. I can't help but see the fact that they never went public and don't have some kind of weird money fetishist at the helm as key to that.

sudo42 , in How to make a company not suck

Wall Street has perfected this cycle. If you accept investor money, you will be enshittified. Their only goal is to make as much money as fast as possible. They don't care about your future, your company's future, the country's future or indeed even their own future. They want money now and will twist the screws on you until they get it.
Think of "investors"/Wall Street as The Mob and you'll get an idea of your future if you should ever be so desperate as to deal with them.

ZDL Mod ,

This is the response I was going to make.

If you accept outside money, you will enshittify. There is no exception to this rule. Externally-funded companies are in one of two states: in the process of enshittifying or enshittified.

Make your business with an eye toward self-sustenance. If you accept outside ownership your business is gone.

hellofriend , in How to make a company not suck

Big problem is CEOs are paid in stock and are thus incentivized to boost shareholder value at the cost of all else. Prevent CEOs from being paid primarily in stock and it would help. Would it be the be all end all? No, but it's a start.

ashaman2007 , in How to make a company not suck

If you go public you will be enshittified

Death_Equity , in How to make a company not suck

There is no means to ensure the founding values are maintained once you go public. Iron-clad bylaws that do not permit malfeasance can be rewritten or amended to pervert the founding values and all that takes is enough votes.

Motivations of people can change, money is strong leverage, and morals are flexible enough to break with enough bending.

The best you can do is try your best and surround yourself with people who have values that align with your own while actively fighting against anything that even slightly compromises what you stand for. Understand that public influence will defeat you and you can only hold out long enough to make enough to do some good after the cards fall where they do. See what is coming and know when to release your intellectual property into the public domain and open source before you can't.

mozz Admin , in How to make a company not suck
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You hit the nail on the head with reference to going public. At that point, it's pretty much out of your hands. You might think you can maintain 51% of the control with the owners, and everything will be fine, but... honestly, just don't go public.

Best by far is just to build it up over time without taking outside investment (or borrowing from family or friends you trust, or from the bank, not investment with shares but just borrowing and paying them back). Going the route of big angel investors is so tempting because it opens up so many possibilities, and trying to bootstrap it is so slow and uncertain, but it is absolutely inevitable that the people who gave you a bunch of money are going to wind up calling the shots. If what you're talking about is something you care about, I would go the bootstrapping route.

I've seen companies work well by bootstrapping themselves up over years of small client work until they were big enough to grow up into real companies, the right way. I've seen companies work well by taking out massive loans and paying them back with interest with these big punishing payments every single month. I've never seen a company that opened itself up to outside investment survive in its original form as time went on. If what you're talking about is important to you, I would do everything you can to stay away from it.

IDK, if you already took on some investment, then I would just work with it as best as you can, and keep in mind trying to get out from under it because you've outgrown it, as quickly as you can. I don't know how you do that really, but that's the direction I would be thinking if you care about these issues.

On top of that, things to keep in mind:

  1. The culture. You want people to be able to speak their mind and you want to be able to do the kind of work you want and not the kind that you don't.
  2. Point out examples of early Google beating out all the enshittified solutions, Facebook and Yahoo squandering their dominant positions through enshittification, things like that. In the long run, it really is a bad idea to cheat your customers and business partners. Maybe pointing that out to a money-focused person will make an impact on their thinking. Maybe not.
  3. Make sure your investors trust you and respect your judgement. If they see you're wise financially, focused on the bottom line, being responsible with what you're doing week by week, they'll be less prone to want to override you with "sensible financial decisions" that will lock you into something horrendous that you won't want to be doing.
shani66 , (edited ) in (WEEKLY) Watch This Movie

Best movie I've ever seen: ax 'em, i can't recommend it enough. It's an indie masterpiece that really sets the bar for quality.

AceTKen OP Mod ,
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Trailer here.

AceTKen OP Mod , (edited ) in (WEEKLY) Watch This Movie
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A few recommendations for various reasons, some known and some less-so:

Romance:

  • What Dreams May Come - Robin Williams in a kind of version of Dante's Inferno. Deals a lot with death and a non-religious afterlife. I'm a stoic 6'4 dude and weep openly every time I watch this.
  • Love Never Dies - Did you know there's a real official sequel to the musical Phantom of the Opera? There is. It's okay, not great, but pretty fascinating more as a cultural artifact. I think I remember a decent song, but nothing like the first. It would have been better to make it straight up fucking weird like Starlight Express.
  • The Fountain - This is one of the most artistically-sound and crushing love beyond time movies I've ever seen. I've watched it about a dozen times and swear there's at least three movies in here once you understand it. Amazing visuals, and great performances and one of my favourite films of all time period.

Thriller / Horror:

  • Dave Made a Maze - So a guy makes a spatially-impossible cardboard structure in his house. It's... fun. There are minotaurs. Also made of cardboard.
  • Cigarette Burns - From the series Masters of Horror. It's 1 hour long, but is extremely well-done and handles dread amazingly with a great pay off.
  • 1408 - The best version of a "haunted room" movie I've ever seen, actually creepy in many places, and one of Sam Jackson's all-time best "MOTHERFUCKER" moments.
  • Dog Soldiers - This one is a tad more common, but it's the best werewolf movie I've found and gets the monsters 100% correct. Low-budget, but astounding creature effects for werewolves. A lot of Alien vibes.
  • Drag Me To Hell - Another common one, but it's one of the best things Sam Raimi has done outside the Evil Dead series, and definitely the closest he's come to Army of Darkness since. If you're even a casual fan of Evil Dead or horror-comedy, and haven't seen it, what are you even doing?

Comedy:

  • The Birdcage - Was big at the time, but I haven't seen anyone mention it in ages. One of the great Robin Williams performances for both comedy and drama. He runs a drag club with Nathan Lane.

Action:

  • Equilibrium - Came out roughly the same time as The Matrix and got completely buried. Excellent action scenes. Christian Bale does a 1984 / F451.
  • Batman: Assault on Arkham - One of the best DC Animated movies ever. Yes I know that Mask of the Phantasm is better, but this is still really good and legitimately funny.

"Bad" Movies That Aren't At All Bad:

  • The Sorcerer's Apprentice - Nick Cage does basically a Pirates of the Caribbean and it's a shitload of fun.
  • Drive Angry - More Nick Cage. It's needlessly badass in the dumbest way possible and is hilarious.
ZDL Mod ,

Equilibrium was underrated. I liked it much better than The Matrix (which felt like some pretty shallow people trying to be deep while rehashing SF themes dating back to about the time I was born). I mean Equilibrium wasn't especially original either (part Brave New World, part 1984, and part Fahrenheit 451) but it didn't try to pretend to be deeper than it really was.

Drag Me To Hell was good fun.

Love Never Dies ... I ... it never grabbed me. Musically it was weak, IMO, which is fatal for, you know, a musical. (Same for that Rocky Horror Picture Show sequel Shock Therapy.)

Dog Soldiers was very good indeed; I should probably watch it again.

The rest are either things I've never heard of, or things I've heard of but am not interested in.

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