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OsrsNeedsF2P , in rule

Genuinely don't know how I feel about the "trans women in sports". On one hand, it is a valid concern for a recently transitioned player to compete in some events, but on the other, I can totally see younger girls see more women at i.e. the skatepark and it encourages them to give it a try too

MyDearWatson616 ,

Recreational sports should have no boundaries. When you get into professional sports, the topic becomes a lot more dicey.

Ilovethebomb ,

Especially when there's money on the line.

sonori ,
@sonori@beehaw.org avatar

How about just using the rules the Olympics have been using for fifty years for competitive sports that they came up with after doing a proper study into the issue, which is if your fully transitioned for more than two years you can compete.

For sports where there isn’t a pro industry and people arn’t getting paid to compete, like in schools, just let people do whatever they present as. The point is to have fun, not ban people for maybe having a quarter of a percent advantage. If it was then games like basketball would need to have height and weight classes. The whole reason we allow, much less spend money funding, sports in schools, parks, and community centers is for exercise and fun, not just to cater to the adults betting money on the results.

riwo ,
@riwo@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

what does "fully transitioned" mean? ppl transition in different ways and hrt keeps changing the body for 7-8 years before stabelizing.

just make categories based on factors that are relevant to the sport, like height, limb lenghts, and muscle mass, instead of gender.
grouping by gender is both inherently sexist/genderist and doesnt actually fix inequalities, because the bodies of ppl of any given gender varie widely and there are big interesctions between genders.

euphoric_cat OP ,
@euphoric_cat@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

after being on hrt for 1-2 years, all levels match cis women in terms of muscle mass/density, etc

Devorlon ,
@Devorlon@lemmy.zip avatar

That sort of rhetoric always feels sexist to me. The implication is that trans women shouldn't compete since those with XX chromosomes have some sort of superpower that means they'll beat those with XX.

The quote "Trans women can compete in sports as long as they don't win." always stood out to me.

eupraxia ,
@eupraxia@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

I fight people and have opinions!

Really depends on the sport. In non-professional fencing and HEMA, practice tends to be coed. Men and women tend to perform equivalently - really height is the biggest "biological advantage". More reach means more ability to hit an opponent before they hit you, and this goes the same for men and women. Sure, men can accelerate a bit faster and tend to be taller, women can plant their feet a little wider and tend to be more balanced and flexible - but these are just averages. Individual people vary wildly because biology doesn't give a shit about the categories we create to describe it. And strategy can make up for a lot of those things in ways that you really just can't with height discrepancies. We had to give our club's tallest member a shorter axe just to make up for the reach advantage when she fought people she stood a head above.

Dividing strictly based on AGAB is not an even playing field and I feel trans athletes only draw attention to what's already a significant problem in competitive sports. And once you get to a professional level, I understand there's more nuance, but a vast, vast majority of athletes are not professional and the issue is blown far out of proportion for them. Anyone pushing to enforce divisions in kids' sports via genital inspections has lost their goddamn minds.

Diplomjodler ,

Some people just like to inspect kids' genitals. Those are not the kind of people who should make these decisions, though.

barsoap ,

There's generally rules of the "have to be on HRT for X months" kind which is perfectly sensible: Your body doesn't change the second you come out, or decide to swallow pills.

Then, all the data we have says that middling athletes stay middling after transitioning, bad ones stay bad and great ones stay great, that's enough for fairness given that we don't disqualify Michael Phelps for being half fish. All those genetic advantages he has would carry over if he were to transition and he'd dominate the female league not because he transitioned but because he's a genetic freak.

If you think that people transition just to have an advantage I don't know what to tell you either. I'll believe it when I see Matt Walsh do it, on camera, under doctor's supervision. If that clown with all his hatred can't do it with ideological fuel then noone can.

BautAufWasEuchAufbaut ,
@BautAufWasEuchAufbaut@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Pills? There is HRT medicine which comes in pills?
Edit: There is, thanks for the answers everyone! I knew about syringes, gel, patches and tablets, but pills were new to me.

Mint ,

Yes, I don't know about masc HRT specifically, but estrogen comes in many different forms - needles,gel and pills

AnarchistArtificer ,

Some T blockers, like spironolactone, can also come in pills, I believe.

reverendsteveii ,

Why would sex be the only genetic advantage we normalize for? Welsh people tend to be taller than Italians, should there be an Italians-only basketball league that bans Welsh folk?

GoodEye8 ,

It's not. Boxing has weight classes because a heavyweight would snap a featherweight in half and some people literally can't reach heavyweight without going overweight.

reverendsteveii ,

kind of invalidates the whole "they have a biological advantage" argument then, doesn't it?

pleb_maximus , in make up your fucking mind rule

So, uh, where does one find a cute (trans)catgirl?

Viking_Hippie , in zoomies rule

Bear with me here, but this should give you paws. Make sure to hang up ursine warning others. Fourth bear pun.

Vespair , in zoomies rule

Unbearably fast

mossy_ , in rule

Old School Runescape forces you to change your character into a girl to complete a quest. You can easily change back afterwards, but I never did for some reason.

Bumblefumble , in its not that hard rule

> Pretend to not be dumbass

> Gatekeeping liking YouTubers and pop singers.

People are allowed to have fun you know.

problematicPanther ,
@problematicPanther@lemmy.world avatar

no you're not.

ivanafterall , in I am funniest when I'm on dating apps rule

I'm funniest when I'm alone in my car, after work, thinking about what happened and all of the really funny things I should've said. They're really good.

zarkanian ,
@zarkanian@sh.itjust.works avatar

L'esprit de l'escalier.

brbposting ,

wit of the staircase: repartee thought of only too late, on the way home

Only had to look it up because I always think of my repartees right on time.

And obviously we all know the definition of repartee:

conversation or speech characterized by quick, witty comments or replies

germanatlas , in I am funniest when I'm on dating apps rule
@germanatlas@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

I wanna see this with the chess.com evaluation symbols next to the messages

Regalia ,
@Regalia@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar
proper , in its not that hard rule
@proper@lemmy.world avatar

ask him what boobs feel like

bobs_monkey , in its not that hard rule

And then he posts a greentext on 4chan.

pewgar_seemsimandroid , in rule

what's the joke here

euphoric_cat OP ,
@euphoric_cat@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

she's mentally insane/crazy

chumbalumber , in Slowly killing my own chances rule

https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/pictrs/image/b43f902e-5292-49ce-bac9-67d75ce8e98a.png

We'd be a good match, I think

(For context: their profile said 'meows on command')

Maven OP ,
@Maven@lemmy.world avatar

One time I matched with a girl and every single one of her profile pictures was her in the same bathroom wearing the same outfit but in the background of each were various different anime characters.

My opening line was "man I hate when people only have group photos, it's so hard to tell who I actually matched with"

They called me a dumbass and unmatched me.

chumbalumber ,

Squidward_house_of_unrecognised_talent.gif

AVincentInSpace , in rule

Is this comic a reference to something specific?

FakeGreekGirl ,
@FakeGreekGirl@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

I do remember a recent thing where a woman skater went full-ass TERF after having placed lower than a trans woman in a competition and making the right wing noise cycle, conveniently leaving out that they placed something like fifth and sixth behind a child. Google is being extremely unhelpful right now in finding it, though, instead showing me article after article about a separate story where a trans woman won a skating competition, which frame it in the most horrible way possible by making repeated reference to the fact that a 13 year old got second place. Lots of mentions of her "beating a 13 year old" and not being apologetic about it.

CorrodedCranium , in Trickery afoot??
@CorrodedCranium@leminal.space avatar

Did I have a fever dream or did the Safety Third podcast talk about a shrimp that cooked fried shrimp?

GluWu , in rule

Will you give me grippy sock foot job first?

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