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The longer Biden enables Netanyahu, the more his presidency is at risk | Mohamad Bazzi ( www.theguardian.com )

Biden, a supposed foreign policy pragmatist, doesn’t seem bothered that the US is one of the few states that continues to wholeheartedly sustain Israel’s war on Gaza. In fact, Biden has staked his political future on his support for Netanyahu and Israel – and Biden is losing. In this year’s presidential election, where...

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The Biden presidency was the better of the only 2 options available.

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Biden should not be supporting genocide.

No shit Sherlock, no one here is saying otherwise.

I'm voting for Biden, but I doubt you'll read this far before lecturing.

Then you're just here to pat yourself on the back for saying obvious things? Cool.

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So? We're talking about possible outcomes, not how many people were on the ballot.

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Nope, there were 2 possibilities on election day. Biden or Trump.

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It really doesn't because Biden is the one currently with the power

The only way that matters is if you genuinely think Trump would behave differently.

I cannot view someone who would be a part of what's happening to Palestine to be a credible future ally against christofascists

Neither can I. But I really can't look at those who want to throw away the opportunity to reduce the risk of those christofascists gaining power with anything but disgust.

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Obviously.

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As opposed to that plus worse, correct.

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Sure you do.

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🥱

You can do better than that.

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Only if people make the choice not to reduce the risk of a Trump victory.

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"I'm not an accelerationist, I'm just advocating for speeding up collapse I've decided is inevitable"

Double-speak.

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I really don't care about 'hypothetical trump'

That much is clear, which is why you're going to vote against decreasing the risk of him becoming president. Despite the fact that it will be worse.

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Marginally. Luckily I've only said "but Trump" to people who refuse to reduce the risk of a Trump presidency. Which is of course, a very valid argument.

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They're both supporting genocide. And I'm upset with both of them. There's one that's clearly worse though.

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You refuse to reduce the risk of a greater evil.

Justify that to yourself however you like.

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You keep asserting that individuals voting somehow impacts the 'risk' of trump getting elected more than the individual with all the power in this situation choosing a path which alienates a considerable portion of his own electoral base.

No I don't, don't put words in my mouth. If someone feels "alienated" it's on them to either hold their nose and vote for Biden anyways, or so nothing to reduce the risk of a Trump victory. That's a plain and simple fact.

Rather than blaming the people with power doing the actual crimes, you blame people with no power who simply don't buy into your blind devotion to the democrats anymore.

You keep twisting it as devotion to the Democrats, rather than devotion to reducing the risk of a Trump presidency.

If all you can do is put words in my mouth and dishonestly frame the discussion, then I'm disappointed, but not surprised.

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Voting in a way that prevents "worse" winning over "bad" will definitely help me sleep at night.

Not sure how someone who votes the other way can live with themselves though.

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"No u" 🥱

You can do better than that.

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It's extremely telling that you see basic logic and consider it emotional manipulation.

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I prefer to deal in advanced logic

Not surprising that you want to skip the fundamentals and dive in over your head.

I will refer you to the trolley problem I tried to explain to you earlier.

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No I haven't. Nice try though.

Bye!

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You're free to see it that way, but that perspective is your problem, not mine.

Yes, I'm well aware that I'm free to live in reality, thanks.

you're more angry about them than the fact that the party offers no alternative

Yet another false-dichotomy. That's like your thing, huh?

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So to be clear, you set up a false dichotomy, told me what my stance is, and then turn around and talk about dishonesty.

Oh honey.

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And I already explained that that's not one of the options, it's a fantasy you're using to avoid taking responsibility for your actions.

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Wow, yet another false dichotomy! Were they on sale?

demanding fealty to evil

Dishonest misrepresentation. Par for the course from you.

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Why would I need to take responsibility for Biden's genocide?

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I take responsibility for doing my part to reduce the risk of Trump commiting that same genocide in addition to other evils.

Unfortunately you can't say the same.

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I'll continue to criticize Biden plenty, thanks.

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I absolutely take responsibility for enabling Biden to do that harm. I don't know why you think this is a gotcha.

But you don't get to pretend it exists in a vacuum. That's dishonest.

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do you send aid to palestine?

Yes I do.

are you going to help unseat biden

In any way I can that doesn't risk allowing Trump to become president.

But ultimately, that vote was morally the right one. Unlike yours.

If Trump is elected, what do you plan to do to take responsibility for advocating against taking measures to prevent it?

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I've clearly explained why it was. Do better.

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I've demonstrated that it is. Keep lying to yourself, I guess.

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"Everyone who disagrees with me is a bot" 🥱

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No I'm not.

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Already was.

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Yeah, it sure is baffling how hard it is for people to understand something so simple and clear, that I have to repeat myself so often, you're right.

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It's dead easy to reply out of my inbox, and sure it's fun clapping back at them.

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Cheers, you too.

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You'd have to ask him that.

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Yes, I'm saying you should vote for the lesser evil. You can also demand an alternative. Those two are not mutually exclusive.

That's the false dichotomy you presented.

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I'm angry about people throwing away their vote and I'm angry about the Democrats not reversing course.

Keep up.

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As opposed to the third option, rejecting the false choice between bad and worse.

There is no third option. You either take action to help prevent a Trump presidency by voting for Biden, or you don't. It's that simple.

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Presumably for the same reason you're here trying to convince me not to take action against a Trump alternative instead of being off somewhere demanding an alternative.

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Yes I'm sure.

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why would you blame the people who won’t vote for them for that reason

Blame them for what, specifically?

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Nothing Biden does or doesn't do will change the fact that you either take action to help prevent a Trump presidency by voting for Biden, or you don’t.

That falls squarely on the voter.

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I haven't once blamed them for that.

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I’m here because I genuinely enjoy arguing about politics

Same.

Convincing the occasional person that they have a responsibility to help prevent a Trump presidency is reward enough in itself.

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