hoosierHillPowderedCheese

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hoosierHillPowderedCheese ,

no, they're not. the people voting for these guys are the ones ushering them in. people voting for a so-called third party are voting against these guys

hoosierHillPowderedCheese ,

voting for a third party is only taking votes away from the only party...

no. the votes belong to the voter, not a party, and its up to politicians to earn those votes.

hoosierHillPowderedCheese ,

Statistically third party voters would be more likely to vote democratic than republican if they didn’t have a third party option,

i haven't voted for a democrat for president in over a decade and i'm not starting again this year.

hoosierHillPowderedCheese ,

the more people voting third party the more they’re helping republicans win

only votes for republicans help republicans win

hoosierHillPowderedCheese ,

it is. a vote for Cornel West must be counted for Cornel West, not any other candidate

hoosierHillPowderedCheese ,

I'd have voted for Bernie in 2016, and he ran as a democrat

hoosierHillPowderedCheese ,

biden helped get us a country that elected Trump.

hoosierHillPowderedCheese ,

the ethics are in the act itself, not in the consequences.

hoosierHillPowderedCheese ,

deontological ethics are unconcerned with ends. the act itself is either ethical or unethical.

hoosierHillPowderedCheese ,

there is no reason to believe someone voting for a so-called third party would vote for another politician. it's not as though we don't know they exist, and haven't been browbeaten repeatedly about this.

hoosierHillPowderedCheese ,

Do the work for third parties between elections.

i have more important work to do than building a party

hoosierHillPowderedCheese ,

Vote third party in primaries.

i will, but how will that have any bearing on the democrats or republicans? it won't. i'll be nominating jill stein for the green party, and then i'm going to vote for her for president.

hoosierHillPowderedCheese ,

i don't believe you can prove anyone (not everyone, just one person) who doesn't think biden is good enough is either right wing or "young and naive"

hoosierHillPowderedCheese ,

can prove they’re short-sighted;

how? what methodology is available to you to prove such an accusation?

hoosierHillPowderedCheese ,

Taken from there, it takes very little ink (inductive reasoning) to connect the dots.

this isn't proof. it's innuendo.

hoosierHillPowderedCheese , (edited )

biden will push us further into fascism just as he has for the past 50 years. voting for him does not, in fact, ensure we don't fall further into fascism.

edit: the gish gallop is the litany of premises shoved together. if they could defend any of these points, they should, instead of (in bad faith) accusing others of acting in bad faith.

hoosierHillPowderedCheese ,

i can believe the other guy is worse without believing its moral to help biden maintain power.

hoosierHillPowderedCheese ,

the spoiler effect is story telling.

hoosierHillPowderedCheese ,

only a vote for trump helps him win. and voting for biden also guarantees fascism advances.

hoosierHillPowderedCheese ,

your accusation of astroturfing is just poisoning the well.

hoosierHillPowderedCheese ,

LOL, if you could prove Duvinger’s Law wrong you’d be famous, but you’re not.

duverger's "law" has no predictive value at all. it's post-hoc storytelling. you can't prove it wrong because it's a useless tautology.

hoosierHillPowderedCheese ,

You’re very likely a Trump supporter stirring shit with those facile arguments.

baby, i'm an anarchist.

hoosierHillPowderedCheese ,

nonfalsifiability is actually a bad feature in theories.

hoosierHillPowderedCheese ,

he called the invasion illegal.

hoosierHillPowderedCheese ,

he never said it's acceptable

hoosierHillPowderedCheese ,

you're mischaracterizing and making leaps of logic.

hoosierHillPowderedCheese ,

he never said that

hoosierHillPowderedCheese ,

he could mean total withdrawal and reparations. you are making leaps of logic.

hoosierHillPowderedCheese ,

do you believe in any situation where Russia is not defeated yet agrees to total withdrawal and reparations?

anything is possible if cornel west is elected

hoosierHillPowderedCheese ,

West shares Trumps view of Putin and would allow to re-arm and attack again.

you have no evidence for this

hoosierHillPowderedCheese ,

Both are opposed to NATO

for different reasons. I oppose NATO, too.

hoosierHillPowderedCheese ,

when did either of them say they trust putin? especially cornel west?

hoosierHillPowderedCheese ,

abolition of states

hoosierHillPowderedCheese ,

Negotiating for peace implies trust

right. that doesn't mean that they have said they do trust him.

hoosierHillPowderedCheese ,

yes

hoosierHillPowderedCheese ,

the existence of the state doesn't abolish violence, so why should that be the standard?

hoosierHillPowderedCheese ,

reason vulnerable groups dont typically get any better treatment post revolution is bc they are the first to be destroyed when the revolution kicks up and the fascists double down.

citation needed

hoosierHillPowderedCheese ,

Voting for Status Quo Joe isnt an endorsement of him, his policies, or the neoliberal status quo.

that's what a vote is.

hoosierHillPowderedCheese ,

if dump wins, thats probably going to be the last ur able to vote for a third party president anyway.

there is no reason to believe this. he has never suggested animosity toward so-called third parties.

hoosierHillPowderedCheese ,

jami

hoosierHillPowderedCheese ,

how do you produce unique hashes with the correctly sized nonce?

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