diz

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diz ,

AI peddlers just love any "critique" that presumes the AI is great at something.

Safety concern that LLMs would go Skynet? Say no more, I hear you and I'll bring it up first thing in the Congress.

Safety concern that terrorists might use it to make bombs? Say no more! I agree that the AI is so great for making bombs! We'll restrict it to keep people safe!

It sounds too horny, you say? Yeah, good point, I love it. Our technology is better than sex itself! We'll keep it SFW to keep mankind from going extinct due to robosexuality!

diz OP ,

Also, my thought on this is that since an LLM has no internal state with which to represent the state of the problem, it can't ever actually solve any variation of the river crossing. Not even those that it "solves" correctly.

If it outputs the correct sequence, inside your head the model of the problem will be in the solved state, but on the LLM's side there's just a sequence of steps that it wrote down, with those steps directly inhibiting production of another "Trip" token, until that crosses a threshold. There isn't an inventory or even a count of items, there's an unrelated number that weights for or against "Trip".

If we are to anthropomorphize it (which we shouldn't, but anyway), it's bullshitting up an answer and it gradually gets a feeling that it has bullshitted enough, which can happen at the right moment, or not.

diz OP ,

Both parties are buying into a premise we already know to be incorrect.

We may know it is incorrect, but LLM salesmen are claiming things like "90th percentile on LSAT", high scores on a "college level reasoning benchmark" and so on and so forth.

They are claiming "yeah yeah there's all the anekdotal reports of glue pizza, but objectively, our AI is more capable than your workers, so you can replace them with our AI", and this is starting to actually impact the job market.

diz OP ,

But if your response to the obvious misrepresentation that a chatbot is a person of ANY level of intelligence is to point out that it’s dumb you’ve already accepted the premise.

How am I accepting the premise, though? I do call it an Absolute Imbecile, but that's more of a word play on the "AI" moniker.

What I do accept is an unfortunate fact that they did get their "AIs" to score very highly on various "reasoning" benchmarks (some of their own design), standardized tests, and so on and so forth. It works correctly across most simple variations, such as changing the numbers in a problem or the word order.

They really did a very good job at faking reasoning. I feel that even though LLMs are complete bullshit, the sheer strength of that bullshit is easy to underestimate.

diz OP ,

Well the problem is it not having any reasoning period.

Not clear what symbolic reasoning would entail, but puzzles generally require you to think through several approaches to solve them, too. That requires a world model, a search, etc. the kind of stuff that actual AIs, even a tik tac toe AI, have, but LLMs don't.

On top of it this all works through machine learning, which produces the resulting network weights through very gradual improvement at next word prediction, tiny step by tiny step. Even if some sort of discrete model (like say the account of what's on either side of the river) could help it predict the next token, there isn't a tiny fraction of a discrete "model" that would help it, and so it simply does not go down that path at all.

diz OP ,

Perhaps it was near ready to emit a stop token after "the robot can take all 4 vegetables in one trip if it is allowed to carry all of them at once." but "However" won, and then after "However" it had to say something else because that's how "however" works...

Agreed on the style being absolutely nauseating. It wasn't a very good style when humans were using it, but now it is just the style of absolute bottom of the barrel, top of the search results garbage.

diz ,

It used to mean things like false positives in computer vision, where it is sort of appropriate: the AI is seeing something that's not there.

Then the machine translation people started misusing the term when their software mistranslated by adding something that was not present in the original text. They may have been already trying to be misleading with this term, because "hallucination" implies that the error happens when parsing the input text - which distracts from a very real concern about the possibility that what was added was being plagiarized from the training dataset (which carries risk of IP contamination).

Now, what's happening is that language models are very often a very wrong tool for the job. When you want to cite a court case as a precedent, you want a court case that actually existed - not a sample from the underlying probability distribution of possible court cases! LLM peddlers don't want to ever admit that an LLM is the wrong tool for that job, so instead they pretend that it is the right tool that, alas, sometimes "hallucinates".

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