[SOLVED] Selectively chaining a VPN to another while allowing split tunnelling on clients?

Currently, I have two VPN clients on most of my devices:

  • One for connecting to a LAN
  • One commercial VPN for privacy reasons

I usually stay connected to the commercial VPN on all my devices, unless I need to access something on that LAN.

This setup has a few drawbacks:

  • Most commercial VPN providers have a limit on the number of simulations connected clients
  • I either obfuscate my IP or am able to access resources on that LAN, including my Pi-Hole fur custom DNS-based blocking

One possible solution for this would be to route all internet traffic through a VPN client on the router in the LAN and figuring out how to still be able to at least have a port open for the VPN docker container allowing access to the LAN. But then the ability to split tunnel around that would be pretty hard to achieve.

I want to be able to connect to a VPN host container on the LAN, which in turn routes all internet traffic through another VPN client container while allowing LAN traffic, but still be able to split tunnel specific applications on my Android/Linux/iOS devices.

Basically this:

   +---------------------+ internet traffic   +--------------------+           
   |                     | remote LAN traffic |                    |           
   | Client              |------------------->|VPN Host Container  |           
   | (Android/iOS/Linux) |                    |in remote LAN       |           
   |                     |                    |                    |           
   +---------------------+                    +--------------------+           
                      |                         |     |                        
                      |       remote LAN traffic|     | internet traffic       
split tunneled traffic|                 |--------     |                        
                      |                 |             v                        
                      v                 |         +---------------------------+
  +---------------------+               v         |                           |
  | regular LAN or      |     +-----------+       | VPN Client Container      |
  | internet connection |     |remote LAN |       | connects to commercial VPN|
  +---------------------+     +-----------+       |                           |
                                                  |                           |
                                                  +---------------------------+

Any recommendations on how to achieve this, especially considering client apps for Android and iOS with the ability to split tunnel per application?

Update:

Got it by following this guide.

Ended up modifying this setup to have better control over potential IP leakage

tootnbuns ,

I just read that tailscale and mullvad offer a joint service where traffic outside your tailnet always exits through mullvad

Lifebandit666 ,

My problem with this solution was that I have signed in to Tailscale via my Google account, and I have to buy Mullvad through Tailscale, linking my Google account to the Mullvad account.

What I wanted to do was have my own Mullvad account and route Tailscale through it, but that wasn't possible, I had to have Tailscale manage Mullvad, which just didn't sit right with me.

tootnbuns ,

Yeah that also wouldn't sit right with me.

Decronym Bot , (edited )

Acronyms, initialisms, abbreviations, contractions, and other phrases which expand to something larger, that I've seen in this thread:

Fewer Letters More Letters
DNS Domain Name Service/System
IP Internet Protocol
VPN Virtual Private Network
VPS Virtual Private Server (opposed to shared hosting)

4 acronyms in this thread; the most compressed thread commented on today has 7 acronyms.

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brownmustardminion ,

I’ve been toying with this idea but with a mesh network, in my case nebula, after experiencing a similar frustration with limitations on most client devices when trying to connect to multiple VPNs.

One question I’ve been trying to answer is if routing all of these devices to a single vpn endpoint has any negative effects on privacy. Would cycling the IP randomly help to prevent trackers from putting together a profile of activity?

coffeejoe ,

Your browser gives them enough information to profile you by they don’t really need your ip address.

brownmustardminion ,

I guess what I'm getting at is now instead of them tracing your activity to one browser or device, they can more easily group multiple devices since they're all using the same VPN IP.

hungover_pilot ,

I do something similar with opnsense and policy based routing. opnsense is acting as both a VPN client and server. The client interface connects out to a commercial VPN, and the server interface listens for incoming connections. Based on what I I want to accomplish I setup firewall rules that use policy based routing to route incoming VPN traffic where it needs to go.

Regarding split tunnel on the client, the Android wireguard app has the option to specify what traffic uses the tunnel based on the application

Emotet OP ,
@Emotet@slrpnk.net avatar

Oh, neat! Never noticed that option in the Wireguard app before. That's very helpful already.
Regarding your opnsense setup:

I've dabbled in some (simple) routing before, but I'm far from anything one could call competent in that regard and even if I'd read up properly before writing my own routes/rules, I'd probably still wouldn't trust that I hadn't forgotten something to e.g. prevent IP/DNS leaks.

I'm mainly relying on a Docker and was hoping for pointers on how to configure a Wireguard host container to route only internet traffic through another Wireguard Client container.

I found this example, which is pretty close to my ideal setup. I'll read up on that.

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